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Old 17th Jun 2020, 22:36
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It would be good if the LCY website made an effort to show what was going to be running, from when, updated as airlines change their plans.

As it is, the opening page is a splash about booking car parking, and the timetables section is a load of rubbish, showing flights running this week, when the airport has been closed for the last 3 months.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 15:02
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The premium leisure markets seems pretty resilient - very high loads to IBZ and AGP in July with many flights sold out in Economy and £700 one way in Club.
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 07:48
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It was reported by SeanM1997 that BACF will drop the LCY-IOM route from September. I wonder if Loganair would operate it alone?
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 09:33
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
It was reported by SeanM1997 that BACF will drop the LCY-IOM route from September. I wonder if Loganair would operate it alone?
I think it may change how itís operated rather than dropped I.e. be LCY originating with BA metal and dropping the midday flight.
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 09:38
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I donít believe there is a snowball in hellís chance of them putting a jet on this. The Embraer fleet is reducing and with one more route to fit in as well, the prospect of an extra jet hull just to sit in IOM all day could not be further from the thinking.
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 09:50
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Originally Posted by GLCYZ View Post
The premium leisure markets seems pretty resilient - very high loads to IBZ and AGP in July with many flights sold out in Economy and £700 one way in Club.
Typically these flights were said to take the same passengers the crew recognised from the rest of the year on early mornings to Edinburgh or Frankfurt (myself included). It's a common way to burn off Avios from the rest of the year. Palma with small kids, Malaga for the Canary Wharf DINKYs (Double Income No Kids Yet), Ibiza for ... well, you all know what.

I wonder what CityFlyer will do for Club, given that Mainline at Heathrow are doing no catering at all. As the LCY Med flights have always offered a small meal and drinks in Y, the seating in the E190 is the same, there is no lounge at LCY, and many are probably Silver or higher anyway, Club has always seemed an irrelevance.

Our classic was returning on the Skiathos, lesiurely breakfast and morning swim, departing at lunchtime, into LCY at 3pm, into a cab, straight to Little Miss WHBM's school where the pre-restart day get together was beginning at 3.30, made it (!), dropped the two ladies off, self then continued to the house with the suitcases. We're all looking forward to CityFlyer coming back, all round.
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 10:39
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
It was reported by SeanM1997 that BACF will drop the LCY-IOM route from September. I wonder if Loganair would operate it alone?
It is only the morning & early afternoon services that are not running......the evening service is still running, but bear in mind that the IOM is now Covid free & they don't want it back so borders are still closed with no easing of restrictions announced, the late flight from LCY-IOM has remained running for returning residents (subject to 2 week quarantine on return) & essential workers only.
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 11:18
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Originally Posted by Flightrider View Post
I donít believe there is a snowball in hellís chance of them putting a jet on this. The Embraer fleet is reducing and with one more route to fit in as well, the prospect of an extra jet hull just to sit in IOM all day could not be further from the thinking.
Take time. Read my original post.

LCY ORIGINATING. Ie LCY-IOM-LCY in the morning, same in the evening.
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 12:15
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The flights have been removed from sales completely
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 12:58
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Makes no difference. Still about as far away from happening as a service to the moon.
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 13:00
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I think BA will look at it and think Ďhow much profit can we make on thisí and if it doesnít reach the threshold it will be chopped
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 14:01
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
It was reported by SeanM1997 that BACF will drop the LCY-IOM route from September. I wonder if Loganair would operate it alone?
I have several flights booked on the route for October and November, no notification of any changes as yet
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 14:09
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This is extremely worrying as there are no tickets for sale from the middle of September onwards. Its very odd that this has happened given that all throughout the pandemic this flight has been operating albeit to London Heathrow once a day at one point it was only this and the Liverpool flight that were operating ( Manchester was later added). I recognise that there may be a reduction in passengers travelling but the removal of this service will be a big issue for connections into London. I do hope that the government are aware of this and ensuring that there are plans to replace with a twice a day service operated from London City on an Embraer. The loss of this is the last thing the island needs once it starts to recover.
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 15:13
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Originally Posted by IOMX View Post
This is extremely worrying as there are no tickets for sale from the middle of September onwards. Its very odd that this has happened given that all throughout the pandemic this flight has been operating albeit to London Heathrow once a day at one point it was only this and the Liverpool flight that were operating ( Manchester was later added). I recognise that there may be a reduction in passengers travelling but the removal of this service will be a big issue for connections into London. I do hope that the government are aware of this and ensuring that there are plans to replace with a twice a day service operated from London City on an Embraer. The loss of this is the last thing the island needs once it starts to recover.
Wonít the easyJet London services be back up and running by September?
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 15:37
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Originally Posted by globetrotter79 View Post
Wonít the easyJet London services be back up and running by September?
They most likely will be, not everyone wants to get into LGW after 23.00 though and their otp is not great plus day return not really an option with the ezy schedules
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 15:42
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Most probably but the timings of those flights have never been convenient for travel to London particularly for business. The first morning flight off the island is not until 09.55 or 10.25 and Gatwick is a much longer journey into the centre than London City. The evening flight off the island is even worse and with frequent delays it does not get back to Gatwick until circa 11.00pm.
Easyjet only use the island as a 'filler' and so put the flights on at less than optimal times and their policy to fares when Flybe went into administration resulting in charges of up to £500 return to Liverpool demonstrates how they operate!
In my opinion they are in no way the answer for serving the centre of London and providing a regular well timed service to and from London for the island.
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 15:46
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In my opinion they are in no way the answer for serving the centre of London and providing a regular well timed service to and from London for the island.
And if there are enough people willing to pay enough money, somebody will provide it...
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 16:09
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Probably time for Manx government and/or the local businesses to come up with a local solution just like quite a few marginal destinations in other countries have. Stuff like all those "XY-flygs" in Sweden, "Alsle" in Denmarkt, "Peoples" in Austria or "RNA" in Germany that provide links to the nation's capital by either running a small local airline or selling tickets for flights operated on their behalf by an ACMI-provider..
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 17:21
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The difficulty with those types of virtual airline arrangements is that the UK CAA is completely allergic to them. Even the regulatory provision which allowed Manx2 then Citywing to exist has been closed off for all but the most infrequent flights. There is a resurgence of them in Sweden after the failure of FlygBRA but between a combination of airline operating licences, ATOL licences and the lack of traffic rights for non-UK carriers past the Brexit transition period, it's as certain as it can be that this type of structure will not appear in the UK (or Crown Dependencies either). You'd be into getting a full AOC and Operating Licence.
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 19:20
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Sure. There are also concepts based on a proper small airline, e.g. PEOPLES in Austrian or Air Alsie in Denmark. They both started as one aircraft outfits and have not really grown beyond two aircraft and a single year-round, week-daily route. But it needs some propping up either by the airport (PEOPLES) or the local business community (Air Alsie).
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