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Old 29th Jun 2019, 00:02
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According to the coverage area The new A220-300 with the extended range is well within reach as is the 100 and now Etops certified.
IAG are buying a few , BA it seems are taking some . Would that not be better than the unpopular but still impressive A318.

Also the A220 would surley be able to carry more pax.

I also read the range of the Embraer E2 E190/195 Are of similar range , I think they have a slight edge of the Airbus .

But the A220 already operates into LCY and is described as the largest aircraft yet to operate there .
Is this in the realm of possibility?.

there still evaluating the type.

no order has been placed as yet.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 15:12
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In the LCY W19 initial slot reports - Sun Air is listed as launching a 10x weekly service between LCY and Antwerp. Air Antwerp also has slots for a 17x weekly service but obviously doesn't yet exist.

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...ion-Report.pdf
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According to the Dundee Evening Telegraph, LCY is trying to get the Dundee route back. It is suggested the route could operate three times daily. https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/f...s-from-dundee/

I'm not sure who'd operate it though. Loganair operate it into STN atm and would imagine they will try and move it to SEN in the current tender bid. Can't see Flybe wanting it at the moment.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 12:12
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If it's a PSO route, would it perhaps be better to stick with twice daily but a larger aircraft instead of thrice daily with a smaller aircraft ? It is after all, taxpayer funds being used to keep the route going. Business travellers will likely be interested in morning/evening flights. As demand increases, one would want to wean the airline off public cash and make the route commercially more self-sustaining
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 15:12
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Business travelers use EDI because it's a much better option. There is no business case for subsidising this route, less so if it ends up at Southend-on-Sea. PSO routes were intended for marginal routes to outlying communities with limited transport options.
Dundee has easy access to Scotland's largest and busiest airport, where fares are much lower and frequency is much higher. DND is to EDI what PIK is to GLA, and I don't mean "complimentary".

Demand is going backwards as EDI grows, remember ScotAirways flew DND-LCY on a commercial basis during harder times in a smaller economy, the growth and wider options at EDI mean DND has no pressing need for a commercial airport at all, never mind one propped up from the taxpayer.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 21:02
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Originally Posted by BA318
Air Antwerp also has slots for a 17x weekly service but obviously doesn't yet exist.
Well, their first aircraft arrived today @ANR according to https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/a...-white-livery/
Still a few details to tackle, such as an AOC
If someone wonders why "the logo, ...that symbolises a hand" was chosen, have a look here https://focusonbelgium.be/en/facts/d...-hands-antwerp


And just in case someone is wondering what the colours are of Antwerp's football club, have a look https://royalantwerpfc.be/
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 07:44
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"DND has no pressing need for a commercial airport at all, never mind one propped up from the taxpayer."

Well if the Scots taxpayer is willing/stupid enough to fork out..

but TBH there are a lot of airports that hang on when any logical review would kill them off....... Doncaster, Teesside, Dundee, Prestwick, E midlands for sure and maybe a whole lot of others - Southampton, Cardiff, Exeter, Southend, maybe Liverpool, Carlisle ... and don't think of mentioning Manston!
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 08:24
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
but TBH there are a lot of airports that hang on when any logical review would kill them off....... Doncaster, Teesside, Dundee, Prestwick, E midlands for sure and maybe a whole lot of others - Southampton, Cardiff, Exeter, Southend, maybe Liverpool, Carlisle ... and don't think of mentioning Manston!
One of the dumbest things Iíve ever seen written on here and thatís saying something
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 08:35
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"DND has no pressing need for a commercial airport at all, never mind one propped up from the taxpayer."

Well if the Scots taxpayer is willing/stupid enough to fork out..

but TBH there are a lot of airports that hang on when any logical review would kill them off....... Doncaster, Teesside, Dundee, Prestwick, E midlands for sure and maybe a whole lot of others - Southampton, Cardiff, Exeter, Southend, maybe Liverpool, Carlisle ... and don't think of mentioning Manston!
One of those posts that prove a little knowledge is a dangerous thing! E Midlands is one of the biggest air freight hubs in Europe and no one was going to mention Manston...because it's shut!
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 08:38
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"DND has no pressing need for a commercial airport at all, never mind one propped up from the taxpayer."

Well if the Scots taxpayer is willing/stupid enough to fork out..

but TBH there are a lot of airports that hang on when any logical review would kill them off....... Doncaster, Teesside, Dundee, Prestwick, E midlands for sure and maybe a whole lot of others - Southampton, Cardiff, Exeter, Southend, maybe Liverpool, Carlisle ... and don't think of mentioning Manston!
Well you could say it about every airport in the UK with the exception of Edinburgh, Manchester, Heathrow and Gatwick! As they are for the most part a few hours drive from most of the UK.
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Air Antwerp also has slots for a 17x weekly service but obviously doesn't yet exist.
Well, their first aircraft arrived today @ANR according to https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/a...-white-livery/
Still a few details to tackle, such as an AOC
If someone wonders why "the logo, ...that symbolises a hand" was chosen, have a look here https://focusonbelgium.be/en/facts/d...-hands-antwerp
It's a fact now. AIR ANTWERP announced today that they got their AOC.
First route : Antwerp-London City
Codeshare with KLM
3 flights a day on weekdays. 1 flight on sunday. With F50!
Operations start on Sept,9th.
More info on: https://air-antwerp.force3.be/air-an...-9th-september

Obtaining an AOC went really fast this time.
Wishing them all the luck
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 20:42
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Air Antwerp are effectively Cityjet, who own the majority of the shares, with KLM as a minority shareholder. Their first Fokker F50 aircraft OO-VLS is an old London City stalwart, having operated this route for VLM and Cityjet for the best part of 20 years.
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Disappointing news. Apparently TAP are dropping Lisbon and Porto services.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 19:56
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6000 / month to Lisbon dropped? Has someone made them an offer they can't refuse?
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 05:20
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
6000 / month to Lisbon dropped? Has someone made them an offer they can't refuse?
I believe those two routes would do very well out of Southend, but perhaps with larger aircraft.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 08:31
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A lot of competition at Heathrow, Gatwick, Luton and Stansted with very competitive prices.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 08:44
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
6000 / month to Lisbon dropped? Has someone made them an offer they can't refuse?
I've seen some very cheap transatlantic flights with TAP from LCY so perhaps it's the old saying that passenger numbers don't necessarily mean good yield. I imagine BA might look at the routes though if there is good passenger numbers.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 11:22
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I wasn't aware that Porto was a major business centre in Europe. Maybe BA might consider it for a summer seasonal 3x per week - but on a Tuesday in November there will need to be a very good reason why a particularly high cost operation would work compared to BA increasing frequency at Gatwick
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There are several destinations from LCY that are not major business ones but have worked, such as Billund. If you get into conversation with fellow pax you find that by no means all are headed to Canary Wharf or the City.

TAP to Lisbon is surprising because I have on a couple of occasions, from an adjacent stand, been surprised by the numbers disembarking from what must have been a very full aircraft. They have the benefit of being able to offer significant onward connections, which in recent times has been their emphasis more than most; BA in comparison would be wholly point-to-point. I wonder how TAP did their revenue allocation between LCY flight and onward long haul.

LCY is favourable to originating quite a bit of onward connecting traffic; a colleague who regularly travels from London to Athens finds it is notably quicker to go with Swiss LCY-ZRH-ATH than to incur the ground travel and additional terminal time from getting to one of the other London airports for a direct, the LCY quick processing contributing significantly.
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So LCY - ANR - LCY via the klm website has fares of under £99 return.

Good price
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