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Old 21st May 2019, 17:13
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I hope they make a success of themselves but I can see how it will be difficult with this aircraft type. A shift to the ATR could perhaps give them a massive fuel and load factor benefit and instead of jet routes for some routes make the prop a better alternative.
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Old 21st May 2019, 21:37
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I hope they make a success of themselves but I can see how it will be difficult with this aircraft type. A shift to the ATR could perhaps give them a massive fuel and load factor benefit and instead of jet routes for some routes make the prop a better alternative.
Absolutely. But given that Loganair do not operate any aircraft with more than 50 seats, you would think that if anyone can make a success out of operating these regional jets it would be them.

I do not know whether the new routes to SEN from ABZ and GLA will prove a success, but I do think they have more of chance with the EMB rather than with an ATR72 or other turboprop. BACF don't operate turboprops because it's not who they are or the market they're appealing to.
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Old 21st May 2019, 22:03
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Originally Posted by BAladdy View Post

Somehow I think you are not telling the truth when it comes to flights to INV in June... The main reason I say that is because LM donít begin operating the routes from EMA until 2nd September....
And in September, LM fares seem to lower than BE (and include a free checked bag)
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Old 21st May 2019, 22:53
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I do not know whether the new routes to SEN from ABZ and GLA will prove a success.
Iíve heard ABZ is doing OK but itís the GLA route Iíd have more questions over.

That said, I looked a couple of weeks back at Stornoway for a long weekend which was more money than I was expecting (£260 each!) and 6 seats on my dates had already been pre-booked.
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Old 21st May 2019, 23:12
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Originally Posted by Nakata77 View Post
Jersey-Bournemouth priced at GBP205 one way does not compare favourably to the fares of Flybe just 30mins up the road from Southampton (Just checked this coming Saturday 25th May)
Thats a hideous fare. I have Southampton to Guernsey in August for 58 pounds return including seat choice with FLyBe (Blue Island)

​​​i also believe that ABZ-OSL has been dropped?
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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:26
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Thats a hideous fare. I have Southampton to Guernsey in August for 58 pounds return including seat choice with FLyBe (Blue Island)

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Why is it a hideous fare? It seems reasonable for a low volume route purchased at short notice. You're not comparing like with like - your Blue Island fare is months away.

These perceptions are an issue for LM - is £260 to fly from London to Stornoway (Stornoway!!) really a lot of money?
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Old 22nd May 2019, 07:59
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The JER fare are expensive ex BOU. Quick check for rest of may and June ex SOU shows plenty return fares just over 100 pounds. If people wish to pay the money that's fine, the joys of choice. I know what I do.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 09:00
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These perceptions are an issue for LM - is £260 to fly from London to Stornoway (Stornoway!!) really a lot of money?
To be honest for me itís not really somewhere Iíve looked at before and only considered it because the option is now there. I hadnít appreciated what a horrendous journey it is by other options! In that context £260 is reasonable, but Iíd say you have to be actively looking to go there. For a weekend away though I canít justify it, £520 for two would more than pay for a couple of days in a European city all in. If itís still around next year I would certainly use it for a proper holiday exploring the islands.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 09:50
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To be honest for me itís not really somewhere Iíve looked at before and only considered it because the option is now there. I hadnít appreciated what a horrendous journey it is by other options! In that context £260 is reasonable, but Iíd say you have to be actively looking to go there. For a weekend away though I canít justify it, £520 for two would more than pay for a couple of days in a European city all in. If itís still around next year I would certainly use it for a proper holiday exploring the islands.
I think in context the normal bottom line figure going ex GLA or EDI to SYY is 150 return. Adding the feeder flight on separate tickets to either GLA or EDI even on bucket fare would make no difference and with 267 pounds as a through fare it would be a reasonable assumption unlikely to get much cheaper. Perhaps Barra Is another alternative if you fancy the western islands? Beach landing is a must do...
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Old 22nd May 2019, 09:56
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is £260 to fly from London to Stornoway (Stornoway!!) really a lot of money?
The quote was from GLA, less than half the distance comparing with London and so yes that would be 'perceived' as a disproportionate fare. I am not sure of the ins and outs of how much this route is subsidised for locals and perhaps there needs to be some reclamation to make it work. These are not late, last seat high fares, this was 4 months out (albeit Aug) with a wide open seat map.
What ever came of FR operating SYY? That would have put the cat amongst the pigeons.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 10:42
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Why is it a hideous fare? It seems reasonable for a low volume route purchased at short notice. You're not comparing like with like - your Blue Island fare is months away.

These perceptions are an issue for LM - is £260 to fly from London to Stornoway (Stornoway!!) really a lot of money?
Not if you're wanting to fly GLA - SYY at short notice, ie, not as a tourist. I was going to book three adult returns a fortnight ago to attend a family funeral. Two of us were pensioners so we were looking at the afternoon flight going up and a cheaper evening flight coming back a few days later. The total fare was about £950. We would have needed to hire a car on arrival as well.
A fourth adult was travelling from Inverness so we drove up to Inverness and over to Ullapool for the ferry. I had been in touch with the Ullapool office who said that they could only guarantee passage for the passengers but to be there a couple of hours early as the stand by queue was first come first served. We were fifth in the s/by queue and were asked to buy tickets that would be fully refundable if the car could not get on. There were spaces on the freight ferry that night and any cars left behind would be driven on and off by Calmac and we could collect the car the following morning at Stornoway when it suited us.
They managed to get the first six vehicles from the stand by queue on board and about four cars were left for the freighter.
We paid £190 for four adults and a car, return, at no-notice.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 11:01
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post

The quote was from GLA, less than half the distance comparing with London and so yes that would be 'perceived' as a disproportionate fare. I am not sure of the ins and outs of how much this route is subsidised for locals and perhaps there needs to be some reclamation to make it work. These are not late, last seat high fares, this was 4 months out (albeit Aug) with a wide open seat map.
What ever came of FR operating SYY? That would have put the cat amongst the pigeons.
I remember FR looking at SYY back in the pre bank crash days. They wanted an upgrade to the ILS system which at that time was going to cost £20m or thereabouts.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 16:54
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1;10476934[left
To be honest for me it’s not really somewhere I’ve looked at before and only considered it because the option is now there. I hadn’t appreciated what a horrendous journey it is by other options! In that context £260 is reasonable...

And even more reasonable for the good folks of the Western Isles, and other remote Scottish locations, thanks to the generosity of the Scottish government who stump up 50% of the base fare for any resident travelling for leisure or social reasons, providing the route is not provided under a PSO.

So you can see why the fares appear a little on the cheeky side.

https://www.loganair.co.uk/adsterms/

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Old 22nd May 2019, 18:56
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I must admit I was quite surprised at the prices on the ABZ-SEN route. I'm flying back from London in June and I got a £49.99 one way fare to ABZ, when the likes of BA/BE were charging in excess of £90 from LHR, so I'm trying out the LM service for the first time. Having looked more recently the fares do seem to have climbed a bit more, but are still cheaper than the much shorter ABZ-KOI flight that I've also looked at taking.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 10:39
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Well, airlines are not pricing like railyways in the steam engine era, i.e. a fixed amount for each mile traveled. It is all about competition and supply & demand on a route. ABZ-KOI has no competition by air and reasonable demand for the capacity offered. Quite unlike SEN-ABZ with lots of competition and most probably more supply than demand. So LM is pricing below costs to get a foot in the door. It should be obvious that selling tickets for an average fare of 50 GBP on a 50 seater plane is not sustainable even if all seats are taken. And reading that cars need to be trasnported by freight ship to Stornoway with no guarantee that they will make it there at all nicely demonstrates why an airline can charge a premium for flights.
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Old 23rd May 2019, 14:29
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And reading that cars need to be trasnported by freight ship to Stornoway with no guarantee that they will make it there at all nicely demonstrates why an airline can charge a premium for flights.
Just for clarity, the ferry was the only competition available and they guaranteed only that the passengers would get across that day. That put us in the same position as flying, we would need to rent a car once across. Getting our car on with us was a big bonus, the freight ferry would not normally be available for cars left behind but it demonstrates that people can get support from the ferry company if they feel that it's a better deal.
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Old 24th May 2019, 13:26
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G-SAJR has been running long-legged charters from ABZ to KIR for the last two days. A drilling operation is setting up there at around N 50deg 52min, W 013deg 20min. A Babcock S92 is shuttling the crews out. The ERJ spent 5hours 20mins on the ground at Kerry yesterday so I assume two shuttles were done. The chopper, G-VINT is invisible on FR24 at the moment so I can't verify.

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Old 29th May 2019, 14:59
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G-RJXE has been on the ground for 6 days in SYY. Anyone know the reason for this?
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Old 29th May 2019, 15:42
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Engine change required.
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Old 29th May 2019, 20:31
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Looked like it got sent up from GLA to collect the return passengers from an EDI flight (s34) that had some problems on landing. They later sent a S2000 over from ABZ to recover the passengers.

http://www.welovestornoway.com/index...t-sy-airport-2

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