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Old 9th Jan 2020, 19:58
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A friend told me that there were three Aurigny ATR's sat on the ground this afternoon (2 x 72 1 x 42) the leased example was flying to/from LGW.
Aurigny currently have one more ATR in the fleet than at the beginning of December G-OGFC arrived to replace G-VZON which is still in service so I do not think that the leased ATR is to cover the Embraer which is away on maintenance. If I was a betting man I'd place my money on ATR crew shortages.

If there are any GR bods reading this they may like to comment....
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 18:00
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As an ATC bod they were all at Gatwick due to the weather in Guernsey. I think they were all ATR72s of various types.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 18:49
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Originally Posted by jijpc View Post
ATR72 SE-RDA has been leased to cover for G-NSEY which went to Norwich on Sunday evening, presumably for maintenance.

Yes she with us at NWI undergoing heavy maintenance with KLM UK Engineering, nice catch for us up here cheers

any chance of the new ATRs appearing at LGW 11th be nice as i,m popping south for a trip



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Old 10th Jan 2020, 19:23
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Pretty good chance - as they comprise most of the fleet, now.
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 21:46
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Blue Islands...Guernsey-Jersey & Southampton
Relating to the Blue Islands thread this week, but I'll post it here as it relates directly to Aurigny...
Noted this week, some of the inter-island flights as well as GCI-SOU have been operated by Dornier a/c (G-LGIS). Wonder how pax reacted to this instead of the usual ATR42 or 72? One thing is clear: Aurigny are not selling many seats on the routes if flights can be downgraded to Do.228. Comments on the Blue Islands thread indicate generally good loads on the GCI-SOU route with an ATR72 fairly full. The GR Dornier by contrast has 18 seats.
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 23:15
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Originally Posted by Gurnard View Post
Blue Islands...Guernsey-Jersey & Southampton
Relating to the Blue Islands thread this week, but I'll post it here as it relates directly to Aurigny...
Noted this week, some of the inter-island flights as well as GCI-SOU have been operated by Dornier a/c (G-LGIS). Wonder how pax reacted to this instead of the usual ATR42 or 72? One thing is clear: Aurigny are not selling many seats on the routes if flights can be downgraded to Do.228. Comments on the Blue Islands thread indicate generally good loads on the GCI-SOU route with an ATR72 fairly full. The GR Dornier by contrast has 18 seats.
I have always thought it bonkers them both operating 50 plus seaters on these routes

The Dorniers are ideal for a higher frequency service , especially inter- island There is nothing mid morning or mid afternoon JER GCI or back
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 23:37
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The airlines would say that is because there is no demand at those times.
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Old 12th Jan 2020, 08:38
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I guess the leased ATR and the use of the Dornier 228 on Guernsey-Jersey is down to a lack of ATR crew due to the Embraer being away on maintenance and the ATR crew having to operate all Gatwick flights.
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Old 12th Jan 2020, 09:49
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Not a bad guess !
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Old 12th Jan 2020, 12:34
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There will also have been at least one ATR crew down in Toulouse picking G-ORAI up, possibly with a few days training whilst they were down there based on what happened when they collected G-OGFC
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Old 12th Jan 2020, 13:08
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And don't forget that when Aurigny made the original license application for the LCY route, both the Dornier and the ATR-42 were included on the application. I still think they messed up that route and that is why it failed : short lead-in marketing period, long-leasing of G-HUET, ( when the continuation of the CityJet F-50 - with crew trained in LCY flights might have been more cost effective ), too much frequency, no onward interline connections, use of the larger ATR 72s etc etc
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Old 12th Jan 2020, 13:11
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But a Trislander has an even quicker turn-around. Which is maybe why Air Alderney are now looking at piston engined Islanders.
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Old 12th Jan 2020, 17:50
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Originally Posted by Nuweiba View Post
But a Trislander has an even quicker turn-around. Which is maybe why Air Alderney are now looking at piston engined Islanders.
Don’t hold your breath while they are looking !
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 10:28
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Anyway.... Mr Darby must be opening up the bottles of champage right now. If Flybe cease trading, BI will surely stop, leaving Aurigny basically alone on all the Guernsey routes, ( except for seasonal Loganair routes ), and overnight become Jersey's third airline in terms of pax numbers.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 10:52
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Originally Posted by Nuweiba View Post
Anyway.... Mr Darby must be opening up the bottles of champage right now. If Flybe cease trading, BI will surely stop, leaving Aurigny basically alone on all the Guernsey routes, ( except for seasonal Loganair routes ), and overnight become Jersey's third airline in terms of pax numbers.
Why would Blue Islands stop, they operated years before the franchise agreement came in with Flybe. They’d have reopened their open booking portal, obviously not the same exposure but they muddled through before !!
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 12:33
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Originally Posted by Garstag View Post
Why would Blue Islands stop, they operated years before the franchise agreement came in with Flybe. They’d have reopened their open booking portal, obviously not the same exposure but they muddled through before !!
Have they reopened their booking engine ? From their website one is still directed to Flybe. All customer data for future BI flights is on the Flybe server. Will they have access if Flybe suspends operations ? What about receipts taken through the Flybe website ? Surely these would be held by the administrator causing a serious cash flow for BI ?
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 13:21
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Originally Posted by Nuweiba View Post
Have they reopened their booking engine ? From their website one is still directed to Flybe. All customer data for future BI flights is on the Flybe server. Will they have access if Flybe suspends operations ? What about receipts taken through the Flybe website ? Surely these would be held by the administrator causing a serious cash flow for BI ?
As they are STILL are current franchise of Flybe obviously you’re getting directed through Flybe booking systems, things cant change until and IF things change with Flybe
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 13:49
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Originally Posted by Garstag View Post
Why would Blue Islands stop, they operated years before the franchise agreement came in with Flybe. They’d have reopened their open booking portal, obviously not the same exposure but they muddled through before !!
I think BI are under a lot of financial pressure at present, their Chairman and founder is seriously ill If FLYBE go, they may well have their old booking engine that they could bring back to life, but have they the resources and money to do that?
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 15:57
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Originally Posted by Garstag View Post
Why would Blue Islands stop, they operated years before the franchise agreement came in with Flybe. They’d have reopened their open booking portal, obviously not the same exposure but they muddled through before !!
Because they are continuing to lose a lot of money & their owner might well lose interest, or not be there to bail them out. Mind you, if BEE go bust they could take on a few of their CI routes - although this would stretch them operationally & possibly leave them with even greater losses !

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Old 14th Jan 2020, 09:37
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Originally Posted by kcockayne View Post
Because they are continuing to lose a lot of money & their owner might well lose interest, or not be there to bail them out. Mind you, if BEE go bust they could take on a few of their CI routes - although this would stretch them operationally & possibly leave them with even greater losses !
…. and they don't have any of the interline agreements that Flybe currently has...
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