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Old 25th Dec 2017, 16:40
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Because Wizzair plans to fly from London Luton to America and Canada.
They are also thinking about buying 350 in the future.
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 07:45
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The only place I have seen about the Wizzair Luton to America rumour was in a Romanian news article. Since then Joszef Varadi has shot that rumour down - confirming that it wasn't within their plans for the moment.
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 07:59
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Where are getting all these ideas from, who is telling you, what are you reading, please supply a source or at least a link or are they just wishful thinking plane spotters dreams!

WIZZ officially announced a few months ago that they had no plans to fly North America after 'rumours' on the internet suggested that they were intending on doing so. WIZZ also at the same time that they would continue to expand in Europe especially in the east and opening up new markets in Europe hence the new UK AOC and the establishment of Luton as a base with upto seven aircraft to be based at the airport in 2018.

With Icelandair, Norwegian, WOW and from next year PRIMERA entering the transatlantic low cost market WIZZ would be entering a cut throat market with no real benefit considering that they could use the same aircraft for upto three rotations from LTN.

I am also under the impression that the A321's that WIZZ have on order will not be able to make it non stop from Luton to the eastern seaboard of United States without making a fuel stop en route at Kevjavik making any such uncompetitive.

There has been no such suggestion regarding WIZZ ordering wide bodies let alone brand new and expensive A350!
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 08:11
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Because Wizzair plans to fly from London Luton to America and Canada.
I can't help thinking someone is confusing Wizz with WOW....
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 08:25
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Originally Posted by canberra97 View Post

WIZZ officially announced a few months ago that they had no plans to fly North America after 'rumours' on the internet suggested that they were intending on doing so.
In fairness, what Wizz Air said was:
asked if he would follow Danish carrier Primera in launching into the budget transatlantic market, he said there were “no plans at the moment”, and said offering flights to destinations like Spain would be “a very silly thing to do”.
https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/news/wizz-air-expands-at-luton-but-rules-out-us-flights-12383

If you read PR statements carefully, there is a difference between “no plans” and “no plans at the moment”. The latter keeps the door open for something to happen in the future (unlike the statement in the same press release that operating UK-Spain would be “a very silly thing”).

While I have my doubts Wizz Air are seriously considering North America anytime soon, they would have the benefit of a potential LTN hub (with an inbound wave of almost 20 flights every morning as feed). That’s a huge asset that Primera, Norwegian and the other new entrants are lacking. I remember when everyone dismissed the notion of Ryanair ever doing connecting flights.

The Wizz A321NEOs should have the range.
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 08:33
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He is either confused or deluded.
WOW have announced Stansted for 2018 with connections to the North America but have no intention of flying from Luton as well, you may be correct with the confusion regard WIZZ or WOW but I honestly don't think that is the case here but even WOW are not going to be ordering any A350 anytime soon and have made no such intention on doing so.

The poster clearly states Luton to North America but I am getting the impression it's 'that he would like' WIZZ to fly from Luton to North America and has either dismissed the official statement from WIZZ stating otherwise or hasn't read it, but the A350 order is a bit of wishful thinking I would suggest.
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 11:19
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Think of the markets that Wizzair currently serve, then try finding direct connections to the USA and Canada from some of those countries.
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 11:40
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There’s actually are a lot of Central and Eastern European immigrants in the US/Canada. There’s almost nothing direct (except Poland) and one stop options tend to be expensive, especially if seeking a reasonable journey time of 11-14 hours rather than 16-22 hours. You are looking at a price premium of 20-30% compared to Western European markets such as Italy, Austria, etc.
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 13:23
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What also helps that theory are the defined waves they currently have at LTN. All those flights arriving between 7:30-9am would be perfect for an 11am departure, 6/7am arrival from the states.
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 15:52
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If I was Wizz and I did decide I wanted to do transatlantic, I think I'd be tempted to do it from Budapest?
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 16:14
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What's the obsession with transatlantic? Not every airline has to fly long haul, you know.

The CEO has already rubbished the rumours and TBH, you'd have to be daft to believe them to begin with.
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 16:24
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I would suggest Dubai to be more to there liking as they already fly there.
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 16:29
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They fly there from places that need Wizz to fly people there, however I wouldn't say anywhere in Western Europe is such a place.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 19:44
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Western Europe is saturated with too many airlines. We're now seeing airlines going under on an almost monthly basis and other airlines such as Norwegian are struggling to find profitable routes to fly.

The same does not apply to Eastern Europe. There is huge growth potential and Wizz Air are leading the growth in this part of the world.

Wizz Air will continue to focus on Eastern and Central Europe. And rightly so.

All in my opinion, of course.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 20:33
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Yet Wizz Air is cutting quite a few UK-Central/Eastern Europe routes (Brexit effect) and launching routes within Western Europe.

With 280 planes on order, they can also be a player in Western Europe especially when the main competitors have rising costs and are fighting union issues (probably still a few years away for Wizz Air). Looking at the cost base, there is no comparison between a Wizz Air A321 (or soon to be delivered NEO) and an Easyjet A319 or Ryanair B737-800.

There are only so many aircraft one can place in Hungary, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Georgia, etc. so I imagine the traditional Western European markets will be a part of the company's wider growth equation.

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Old 27th Dec 2017, 20:51
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Incomes across Europe

Communism may have ended 28 years ago but incomes and disposable income is still much higher in western Europe. It will take many more years before there is approximate income parity between Birmingham and Bucharest
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 21:34
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What you say is a fact, but the size of of the middle class in eastern Europe has trippled in a little over 10 years. In western Europe the middle classes are shrinking with many falling into relative poverty.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 21:55
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Actually the shrinking middle class in Western Europe is mostly due to an increase in the numbers of upper middle class rather than anything else.
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Old 29th Dec 2017, 15:04
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Just heard on the BBC that Wizzair has done a deal with Airbus to buy 140 new aircraft and that they are to expand their Luton operation.
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Old 29th Dec 2017, 21:20
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I can't see the BBC news article you mention, unless you are reading an article from a few weeks ago?

All today's announcement is, is confirmation of an order that was already announced at the Dubai Air Show in November, and is part of an order for 430 A320/321neo's, and 146 of those aircraft are allocated to Wizz...

The order has come from investment company Indigo Partners, who are a major shareholder in Wizz Air and also hold major shares in airlines in the USA, Mexico and Chile, which are all managed independently. Indigo are funding the aircraft order and by buy ordering in bulk for all three airlines they have negotiated a huge discount from Airbus.
(The allocation according to Wikipedia is, 146 aircraft will go to Wizz, 134 to Frontier, 80 to Volaris and 70 to JetSmart.)

Today's announcement is just the signing of the paper work and firm commitment, and going by what I am reading Airbus have pressed for the confirmation of the order by the end of the year. I think this is due to Airbus not having the most successful of years with regards to orders compared to arch rival Boeing and want this big order to bolster their order book and steal headlines from Boeing.

With regards to Luton expansion this was announced about a week before Christmas and Wizz have purchased all of Monarch's slots, which will increase their base from three to seven aircraft. New routes announced included Bari, Athens, Reykjavik, Lviv and increases in frequencies to other routes including Tel Aviv and Larnaca.
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