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Originally Posted by devon_guy
Will Lufthansa be starting their flights to Bristol or have they shelved them permanently?
unlikely that UK regions will be on the agenda currently, nor that information available From DLH now will be accurate in the medium term...
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Originally Posted by devon_guy
Will Lufthansa be starting their flights to Bristol or have they shelved them permanently?
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Wizz Air
Wizz Air are to discontinue their KTW route.
The last flight will be Friday 17 July 2020.
Wizz have been at BRS for around 6 years serving various different routes, with KTW being the last remaining.
The last flight will be Friday 17 July 2020.
Wizz have been at BRS for around 6 years serving various different routes, with KTW being the last remaining.
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Originally Posted by fanrailuk
Wizz Air are to discontinue their KTW route.
The last flight will be Friday 17 July 2020.
Wizz have been at BRS for around 6 years serving various different routes, with KTW being the last remaining.
The last flight will be Friday 17 July 2020.
Wizz have been at BRS for around 6 years serving various different routes, with KTW being the last remaining.
If Katowice has gone it will be for the third time - Ryanair tried it from 2007 to 2009 and from 2011 to 2014, after which Wizz took it on. Loads were always high and in 2019 passenger numbers increased by nearly 18% on 2018 (to over 50,000 at 2/3 times weekly, depending on season) with an A321 replacing the A320, so it must be assumed the yield was the problem.
Ryanair has operated six other Polish routes from BRS year-round for a number of years (Warsaw Modlin, Poznan, Wroclaw, Gdansk, Rzeszow and Krakow - the latter against easyJet). They were operated until the pandemic struck and currently remain in the Ryanair booking engine but no-one can accurately predict the full effects of the post-pandemic fallout at any airport.
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Wizz Air Katowice
According to a poster with close links to BRS on another aviation forum Katowice has not been axed. The apparent cancellation of BRS-KTW and a number of other Wizz Air routes to other UK airports was the result of a 'systems failure'.
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Aspire Lounge
The Aspire Lounge is taking bookings again from Tuesday 11th August, which I assume corresponds with some expected increase in flight departures.
The current schedule looks like it's being run with 8-9 aircraft (easy, Ryanair, TUI) plus one KL to AMS.
The current schedule looks like it's being run with 8-9 aircraft (easy, Ryanair, TUI) plus one KL to AMS.
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Originally Posted by Bristol_Traveller
The Aspire Lounge is taking bookings again from Tuesday 11th August, which I assume corresponds with some expected increase in flight departures.
The current schedule looks like it's being run with 8-9 aircraft (easy, Ryanair, TUI) plus one KL to AMS.
The current schedule looks like it's being run with 8-9 aircraft (easy, Ryanair, TUI) plus one KL to AMS.
1 July: 10 departures (5 Ryanair, 4 easyJet, 1 Wizz Air)
4 July: 18 departures (15 Ryanair, 2 easyJet, 1 KLM)
18 July: 26 departures (16 Ryanair, 9 easyJet, 1 KLM)
25 July: 37 departures (17 easyJet, 16 Ryanair, 3 TUI, 1 KLM)
Tomorrow the number of departures is shown as 45 although one is a TUI flight to Palma. Tomorrow's breakdown is:
26 easyJet, 15 Ryanair, 3 TUI 1 KLM
On another message board it is said that easyJet will need a minimum of ten based aircraft to operate tomorrow's programme - 8 x 320, 1 x 321 and 1 x 319. This is still way down on the 18 based aircraft originally planned for this summer.
The same message board says that TUI will have three aircraft based at BRS for what is left of this summer season: 1 x 757 and 2 x 738. The original programme called for six based narrow-bodied aircraft and one based 787 for this summer. Tomorrrow represents just over 40% of the usual number of overall departures this time of year.
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Having myself begun to use the airport since travel restrictions were lifted, I found myself booked on relatively early morning flights. Living in North Somerset, I would have usually taken the A3 bus from Weston to BRS. Given the airport now has a large number of departures (relatively compared to other airports at least), I am surprised this bus hasn't made a comeback even if in a limited reduced timetable capacity. I know the bus was frequented by staff who lived along the route, particularly in Weston and Worle.
Incidentally it seems the buses for the A1 service are stored in a carpark on the business jet terminal side of the airfield.
Incidentally it seems the buses for the A1 service are stored in a carpark on the business jet terminal side of the airfield.
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It does seem an odd decision to mothball both the A1 and A3 'Airport Flyer' buses until January. The A1 which is a dedicated double-decker service between the city bus station, Temple Meads and the airport at 10-minute frequency for much of it 24/7 operation is not operating. Instead the A2 from the city centre to the airport, another double-decker service at 30-minute frequency, has seen its route extended to call at Temple Meads.
This week there have been up to 48 daily flight departures and the same number of arrivals, which is around 45% of the usual number at this time of year, so it might be thought that having only 25% of the bus availability, and probably with restricted seating because of the virus, would be insufficient.
The A4 Bath Air Decker is still operating albeit every hour instead of every 30 minutes and, according to its website, Stagecoach's South West Falcon from Plymouth, Exeter and Taunton is at its full service frequency of 18/19 return journeys every 24 hours which makes the A1/A3 decision even more perplexing
On another topic, the airport announced today that it is to launch an appeal with the national Planning Inspectorate challenging North Somerset Council's rejection of its expansion planning application earlier this year.
https://www.bristolairport.co.uk/abo...nning-decision
This week there have been up to 48 daily flight departures and the same number of arrivals, which is around 45% of the usual number at this time of year, so it might be thought that having only 25% of the bus availability, and probably with restricted seating because of the virus, would be insufficient.
The A4 Bath Air Decker is still operating albeit every hour instead of every 30 minutes and, according to its website, Stagecoach's South West Falcon from Plymouth, Exeter and Taunton is at its full service frequency of 18/19 return journeys every 24 hours which makes the A1/A3 decision even more perplexing
On another topic, the airport announced today that it is to launch an appeal with the national Planning Inspectorate challenging North Somerset Council's rejection of its expansion planning application earlier this year.
https://www.bristolairport.co.uk/abo...nning-decision
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The Weston A3 bus as been suspended till i think next summer season.All the other bus routes has been cut back but none suspended as far as i know. The reason given from the airport was a high reduction of passengers flying.Another thing the covid 19 has to answer for. I can see why it has been done as a lot of routes has reductions or been cut out for this summer season.
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Originally Posted by MerchantVenturer
It does seem an odd decision to mothball both the A1 and A3 'Airport Flyer' buses until January. The A1 which is a dedicated double-decker service between the city bus station, Temple Meads and the airport at 10-minute frequency for much of it 24/7 operation is not operating. Instead the A2 from the city centre to the airport, another double-decker service at 30-minute frequency, has seen its route extended to call at Temple Meads.
This week there have been up to 48 daily flight departures and the same number of arrivals, which is around 45% of the usual number at this time of year, so it might be thought that having only 25% of the bus availability, and probably with restricted seating because of the virus, would be insufficient.
The A4 Bath Air Decker is still operating albeit every hour instead of every 30 minutes and, according to its website, Stagecoach's South West Falcon from Plymouth, Exeter and Taunton is at its full service frequency of 18/19 return journeys every 24 hours which makes the A1/A3 decision even more perplexing
On another topic, the airport announced today that it is to launch an appeal with the national Planning Inspectorate challenging North Somerset Council's rejection of its expansion planning application earlier this year.
https://www.bristolairport.co.uk/abo...nning-decision
This week there have been up to 48 daily flight departures and the same number of arrivals, which is around 45% of the usual number at this time of year, so it might be thought that having only 25% of the bus availability, and probably with restricted seating because of the virus, would be insufficient.
The A4 Bath Air Decker is still operating albeit every hour instead of every 30 minutes and, according to its website, Stagecoach's South West Falcon from Plymouth, Exeter and Taunton is at its full service frequency of 18/19 return journeys every 24 hours which makes the A1/A3 decision even more perplexing
On another topic, the airport announced today that it is to launch an appeal with the national Planning Inspectorate challenging North Somerset Council's rejection of its expansion planning application earlier this year.
https://www.bristolairport.co.uk/abo...nning-decision
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Originally Posted by MerchantVenturer
It does seem an odd decision to mothball both the A1 and A3 'Airport Flyer' buses until January. The A1 which is a dedicated double-decker service between the city bus station, Temple Meads and the airport at 10-minute frequency for much of it 24/7 operation is not operating. Instead the A2 from the city centre to the airport, another double-decker service at 30-minute frequency, has seen its route extended to call at Temple Meads.
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The A1 and A3 Airport Flyer bus services are currently suspended until January 2021. As B_T points out the A1 and A3 are airport-run services albeit operated for them under contact by First West of England using First staff and double-deckers (A3 single-deckers) that are painted in a dedicated airport livery. The A2 is a commercial service operated by First WoE with its double-deckers painted in a different airport livery to the A1 and A3.
The A2, being a public service, is no doubt operating using the government COVID funding to bus companies whereas the A1 and A3 probably don’t qualify being airport-operated services.
A recent press release stated that the A1 and A3 drivers had been moved to other First services whilst these routes remain suspended. Furthermore, some of the airport’s own drivers who operate the airport’s onsite buses (car parks, staff etc) have been taken on by First to operate regular buses around the company’s network in a temporary move until next March.
That would presumably mean fewer car park buses within the airport complex.
My experience over many years is that the A1 picks up and drops off most passengers at Temple Meads for rail connectivity. In normal times it operates six times every hour in both directions for much of the 24-hour period, supplemented by First’s A2 at half-hourly intervals that doesn’t normally call at Temple Meads but serves other parts of the central area.
For many years the A1 has provided through rail ticketing to and from the airport. Currently that service also seems to have been suspended meaning that anyone arriving at Temple Meads by train will have to seek out the temporarily diverted A2 and pay separately, assuming there is room with the number of seats on the bus reduced by 50% because of COVID.
The A1 double-deckers do experience peaks and troughs in their loading, partly because of the peaks and troughs in flight arrivals/departures at the airport. Nevertheless, it is not uncommon to see an A1 leave the airport or Temple Meads fully loaded with some passengers waiting for the next one.
BRS is obviously nowhere near its normal airport passenger throughput at the moment; there are today, for instance, 52 departures across seven airlines including 31 by easyJet which is just under half the usual overall daily number at this time of year. Even so there must still be a significant number of passengers travelling through the airport - last August saw over one million passengers using the airport for the first time in a calendar month. I’m intrigued to know how two buses per hour with reduced seating capacity because of COVID (the A2s) are coping without the assistance of at least some of the normal six A1s per hour.
Perhaps many more passengers are using private transport to reach the airport which would be a bit of an own goal for the airport.
In part of its planning application submission the airport laid great stress on increasing the percentage of passengers using public transport, with guaranteed rates of increase each year on pain of penalty. It also said that the current network and frequency would be maintained, with more bus services planned including new on-demand bus services to Clevedon and Nailsea and an increase in frequency of the A3 (Weston Flyer).
Obviously no-one could have anticipated the COVID situation but to withdraw the airport-operated bus services to/from the airport until next January might not be the best PR move the airport could have made, especially when at least three of the five commercially operated routes are operating (I'm not sure what's happening with the A5 'village bus' or the South Wales National Express route 216) and at a time when the airport has announced its intention to appeal against the local authority’s rejection of its expansion planning application.
The A2, being a public service, is no doubt operating using the government COVID funding to bus companies whereas the A1 and A3 probably don’t qualify being airport-operated services.
A recent press release stated that the A1 and A3 drivers had been moved to other First services whilst these routes remain suspended. Furthermore, some of the airport’s own drivers who operate the airport’s onsite buses (car parks, staff etc) have been taken on by First to operate regular buses around the company’s network in a temporary move until next March.
That would presumably mean fewer car park buses within the airport complex.
My experience over many years is that the A1 picks up and drops off most passengers at Temple Meads for rail connectivity. In normal times it operates six times every hour in both directions for much of the 24-hour period, supplemented by First’s A2 at half-hourly intervals that doesn’t normally call at Temple Meads but serves other parts of the central area.
For many years the A1 has provided through rail ticketing to and from the airport. Currently that service also seems to have been suspended meaning that anyone arriving at Temple Meads by train will have to seek out the temporarily diverted A2 and pay separately, assuming there is room with the number of seats on the bus reduced by 50% because of COVID.
The A1 double-deckers do experience peaks and troughs in their loading, partly because of the peaks and troughs in flight arrivals/departures at the airport. Nevertheless, it is not uncommon to see an A1 leave the airport or Temple Meads fully loaded with some passengers waiting for the next one.
BRS is obviously nowhere near its normal airport passenger throughput at the moment; there are today, for instance, 52 departures across seven airlines including 31 by easyJet which is just under half the usual overall daily number at this time of year. Even so there must still be a significant number of passengers travelling through the airport - last August saw over one million passengers using the airport for the first time in a calendar month. I’m intrigued to know how two buses per hour with reduced seating capacity because of COVID (the A2s) are coping without the assistance of at least some of the normal six A1s per hour.
Perhaps many more passengers are using private transport to reach the airport which would be a bit of an own goal for the airport.
In part of its planning application submission the airport laid great stress on increasing the percentage of passengers using public transport, with guaranteed rates of increase each year on pain of penalty. It also said that the current network and frequency would be maintained, with more bus services planned including new on-demand bus services to Clevedon and Nailsea and an increase in frequency of the A3 (Weston Flyer).
Obviously no-one could have anticipated the COVID situation but to withdraw the airport-operated bus services to/from the airport until next January might not be the best PR move the airport could have made, especially when at least three of the five commercially operated routes are operating (I'm not sure what's happening with the A5 'village bus' or the South Wales National Express route 216) and at a time when the airport has announced its intention to appeal against the local authority’s rejection of its expansion planning application.
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Is the service from Plymouth and all points running. If its running would think a reduced service.
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During the week 3-9 August there was a total of 320 airline departures at BRS, and broadly the same number of arrivals although some TUI flights might have returned empty as they were the first of the truncated season.
In summary easyJet operated 193 departures, Ryanair 98, TUI 13, KLM 7, Blue Islands 4, Wizz Air 3 and Loganair 2.
Ryanair operated to 33 of their originally planned 34 destinations in August and their 98 departures represents 70% of the 140 weekly departures that should have flown had Covid not intervened.
easyJet should have flown 396 weekly departures this month so the 193 they actually flew last week is just under 49% of that total. They suspended some of the much higher number of destinations they operate compared with Ryanair.
A number of the Ryanair and easyJet routes saw reduced frequencies from the original timetable.
In summary easyJet operated 193 departures, Ryanair 98, TUI 13, KLM 7, Blue Islands 4, Wizz Air 3 and Loganair 2.
Ryanair operated to 33 of their originally planned 34 destinations in August and their 98 departures represents 70% of the 140 weekly departures that should have flown had Covid not intervened.
easyJet should have flown 396 weekly departures this month so the 193 they actually flew last week is just under 49% of that total. They suspended some of the much higher number of destinations they operate compared with Ryanair.
A number of the Ryanair and easyJet routes saw reduced frequencies from the original timetable.
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As per the KLM website and an announcement from BRS on their Facebook page, KLM will be using the B737-700 on their daily flight for the remainder of the month starting Thursday.
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KL's up-guaging to the 737 looks a bit awkward now that NL has fallen off the safe travel list. I wonder how that's going to affect loads next week to FR and NL.
