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Old 30th Oct 2019, 16:02
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Originally Posted by TartinTon View Post
Slightly surprised that no day 6 option is there.
That's not what the Lufthansa press release says. It says it will be twice daily except saturdays when it will be once daily. Timings:

FRA 0820 - 0900 BRS 0935 - FRA
FRA 1630 - 1710 BRS 1750 - FRA


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Old 30th Oct 2019, 17:15
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And just like the last time Lufty launched from Bristol, they've announced the route but not put the flights in GDS, so it's not yet bookable.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 10:39
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And just like the last time Lufty launched from Bristol, they've announced the route but not put the flights in GDS, so it's not yet bookable.
Well the flights are now loaded but sadly they want double the price to go to Singapore from BRS rather than LHR so it's off to LHR I shall be going.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 19:48
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Well the flights are now loaded but sadly they want double the price to go to Singapore from BRS rather than LHR so it's off to LHR I shall be going.
I would be just a little patient. It is quite likely they have not loaded the LH BRS fares yet. Have a look at the fares from other LH UK regional airports and their pricing is not that bad.
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 10:00
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I would be just a little patient. It is quite likely they have not loaded the LH BRS fares yet. Have a look at the fares from other LH UK regional airports and their pricing is not that bad.
Also exactly what happened when LH launched from BRS in 2008 🤣.

The bad news is, the fares are loaded. I'm seeing the same fares ex-BRS as ex-MAN. The problem appears to be lower availability of seats at the cheapest fares, presumably because fewer seats overall between BRS and FRA. On the dates where fare avails are the same ex-BRS as ex-MAN, the only difference is the difference in Airport Fees between BRS and MAN. (£8 cheaper to fly from MAN). £549 v £541.

Unfortunately, regional fares (regardless of KL/DL or LH/UA) are often not as good as fares ex-LHR, where there's a ton more competition. I don't mind a premium of 'about £100', but sometimes nutcase offers out of London are half the price of elsewhere. We need Norwegian to turn up at BRS, that always encouraged airlines to create competitive fares.
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 10:24
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For some reason they seemed to have removed all of their first basic fares and have them as sold out for the next 12 months. They were there the other day so I assume at some point they'll be reloaded.
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 14:46
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Originally Posted by devon_guy View Post
Well the flights are now loaded but sadly they want double the price to go to Singapore from BRS rather than LHR so it's off to LHR I shall be going.
Have you taken a look at Qatar Airways from CWL? Closer than LHR, less fuss.
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 19:13
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Originally Posted by devon_guy View Post
For some reason they seemed to have removed all of their first basic fares and have them as sold out for the next 12 months. They were there the other day so I assume at some point they'll be reloaded.
The F fares ex-BRS are the same as ex-LHR, (lowest fare GBP2521 for a r/t) so I assume the problem is avails in the business bucket that it cross-books into in BRS-FRA. This has been a recurring problem where tight avails on the BRS-FRA segment have a dramatic effect on the applicable fares.
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 21:21
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Originally Posted by Bristol_Traveller View Post
The F fares ex-BRS are the same as ex-LHR, (lowest fare GBP2521 for a r/t) so I assume the problem is avails in the business bucket that it cross-books into in BRS-FRA. This has been a recurring problem where tight avails on the BRS-FRA segment have a dramatic effect on the applicable fares.
I can't see any fares at that price! All I see is that the basic, basic plus and basic II are all sold out on every date both from LHR and BRS. It must be an IT error.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 20:14
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Originally Posted by devon_guy View Post
It must be an IT error.
Almost certainly. I've reported this in the past, and LH confirmed it was a glitch and it fixed itself two weeks later. Very expensive glitch. If you have a HON PA or dedicated sales agent, let them know so they can get someone to fix it. My lowly SEN status is regularly trumped by anyone buying F fares.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 22:43
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Transavia had a map on twitter showing new routes from Montpellier and Bristol was on it, expect something soon.
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Old 7th Nov 2019, 00:55
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The map that has been quoted online has been misinterpreted. It was assumed that all the routes on the map related to new Transavia routes from MPL (which included BRS) . However, what the map actually shows is the current routes available from MPL in blue (to BRS with easyJet, DUB with Aer Lingus, BES with Volotea etc) and the new countries (no actual specific destinations) to be announced by Transavia in green which seem to cover Southern Europe and North Africa.
A false alarm maybe?!

easyJet operates a summer route from BRS-MPL 2x weekly.
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 12:23
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The first easyJet A321 to operate into BRS is currently flying in from Alicante - G-UZMA. The 321 is then due to operate BRS-GLA-BRS and BRS-CDG-BRS later today. Two easyJet 321s are reportedly to be based at BRS this winter.
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 21:56
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Various new outlets reporting that Easyjet has 'bought' ex-TCX slots at BRS.

https://news.sky.com/story/easyjet-s...r-36m-11857364

I've never heard of anyone trading slots at BRS before?
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Old 9th Nov 2019, 13:13
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Originally Posted by Bristol_Traveller View Post
Various new outlets reporting that Easyjet has 'bought' ex-TCX slots at BRS.
https://news.sky.com/story/easyjet-s...r-36m-11857364
I've never heard of anyone trading slots at BRS before?
BRS is now a Level 3 slot co-ordinated airport but only in the summer and then only between 2300 and 0700.

This is to address the increasing challenge of the airport's night time movements limit and night time noise quota.

Both restrictions are broken down by season - summer and winter - but the seasonal limits are disproportionate, being overused or nearly so in summer but underused in winter.

Night time (2330-0600) summer movements must not exceed 3,000 take-offs and landings and winter must not exceed 1,000. There are far fewer landings in winter during the night time period and no timetabled take-offs that I can recall, unlike summer with its numerous landings and a handful of take-offs each week (Thomas Cook was involved with some of the pre-0600 take-offs and post-2330 landings). In addition, the total number of take-offs and landings between 0600 and 0700 and between 2300 and 2330 must not exceed 10,500 in any calendar year.

The most recent summer total was 2,975, slightly down on the previous year's 2,991, with both years just under the 3,000 limit. Winter by contrast has only been between 232 and 353 over the past five years, little more than a third of its 1,000 limit.

The night noise quota also covers the 2330-0600 period (there is also a blanket ban on the noisiest types of aircraft between 2300 and 0700 but that is largely academic these days). Each aircraft type is given a quota count. The summer (BST) maximum total quota count for the airport is 1,260 and the winter (GMT) is 900.

There is a system in place where overruns can be borrowed from a previous season or set aganst the next season although quota limit penalties exist in such circumstances re the season after that. The most recent summer usage figure was 1,490 (above the limit of 1,260) which was achieved by borrowing from the underused winter quota whereas wnter was 152, less than 20% of its 900 limit.

BRS has applied to have the seasonality removed but not the overall annual noise quota count. Neither has there been a request for the quota count limit to be raised.

It remains to be seen what easyJet actually does with the Thomas Cook slot pairs it has purchased. We ought to learn more on 19 November when easyJet is due to make an announcement.

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Old 14th Nov 2019, 12:13
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Bristol Airport's planning application seeking permission to further develop infrastructure to enable it to handle 12 mppa will not now be heard by North Somerset unitary authority planning committee until next year. The current limit is 10 mppa and the application includes a request to have the limit raised. Annual throughput at the moment is approaching 9 mppa.

The application was submitted a year ago next month. The process might yet lead to a Planning Inspectorate enquiry should the local authority reject the application.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 20:21
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New route from March - Brest. 2 x weekly on Tuesdays and Saturdays.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 23:11
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North Somerset has declared a “climate emergency” so I doubt they will allow any expansion.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 08:38
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Councils can drag out planning for years - one of the UK Onshore oi companies has had their application for a well site S of London deferred for the 5th consecutive planning meeting recently that's 10 months.

And a Planning Enquiry takes the best part of a year to set up and then a year to report.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 16:40
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North Somerset has declared a “climate emergency” so I doubt they will allow any expansion.
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Councils can drag out planning for years - one of the UK Onshore oi companies has had their application for a well site S of London deferred for the 5th consecutive planning meeting recently that's 10 months.

And a Planning Enquiry takes the best part of a year to set up and then a year to report.
I will be surprised if the North Somerset unitary authority approves BRS’s applications to have its 10 mppa planning limit raised to 12 mppa together with infrastructure expansion to handle that number. The political complexion of the elected members has changed significantly since last May's elections. That could lead the airport to a Planning Inspectorate appeal which, as has been said, might take a long time to arrive at a final resolution; possibly later in 2021 is the earliest a final decision might be made.

The airport is edging ever closer to its 10 mppa cap with the current annual throughput just below 9 mppa. The demise of Thomas Cook and flybmi has slowed the expected growth this year but TUI’s and easyJet’s expansion next summer (anticipated in the case of easyJet but not confirmed), plus the return of Brussels Airlines and Lufthansa, ought to see 9 million passed next year.

Two years ago this month the airport announced a public consultation into its proposed new master plan. The original timeline saw a draft master plan published later in 2018 for further public consultation. 2020 will be with us soon but still no draft master plan in the public domain for consultation.

The current planning applications awaiting a determination by the local authority actually embrace some things that might have been expected by some to have formed part of the new master plan. I suppose time was of the essence, as is now shown by the local authority delay in making a decision. It might be that the airport is now awaiting a final decision on its annual passenger cap before resuming the draft master plan process. The uncertainty of the final outcome and the likely time it will take could well be putting of an airline or airlines that might have shown a serious interest in operating out of BRS.

On another topic, TUI announced today that they will operate to Sharm el Sheikh twice weekly next winter, an increase on next summer’s weekly flight.
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