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Old 24th Jan 2018, 11:09
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Two competitor operators on a NWI/ABZ route was a silly idea in the first place, reducing it to one operator suggests that the route shall survive, bravo!
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 11:37
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Originally Posted by Harry Wayfarers View Post
Two competitor operators on a NWI/ABZ route was a silly idea in the first place, reducing it to one operator suggests that the route shall survive, bravo!
It's what's known as market forces....survival of the fittest. Nothing to see here, move along.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 11:59
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BMI had been on the route long enough - I suspect that they probably lost a contract on the route and that made it uneconomic to continue with.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 15:24
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Excellent news for Eastern, who are probably due some...

... unless Loganair decide to continue their retaliatory campaign of being upsettedness. I wonder if they will!
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 15:54
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Discussed in the BMI thread a few days ago.

I don't recall the exact start date, but this route is longer than most would have realised. I can remember seeing it in the BMI printed timeable circa 2002, I think. It's a shame to lose competition on the route, especially as BM serve it from with an ABZ-based aircraft and T3 serve it with NWI-based aircraft.

However the North Sea oil and gas industry is no longer so inclined to send all its staff by air. Riggers are much more likely to be sent by train if transferring between the two cities. Perhaps T3 will take some comfort from losing the competition (and maybe jack up the average fare in the process).
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 16:15
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survival of the fittest
Is this the first time this phrase has been used to refer to Eastern?
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 16:23
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Originally Posted by ara01jbb View Post
I don't recall the exact start date, but this route is longer than most would have realised. I can remember seeing it in the BMI printed timeable circa 2002
Yeah it started in Q4 2002 IIRC.

They also operated NWI-MAN briefly in 2003/4 with the same equipment.

It's a shame to see an operator exit NWI, however I think this particular route canx is due to the state of the UK oil industry more than anything.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 17:47
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Which illustrates the fact Norwich has all its eggs in one basket. Everyone in the city regards it as a riggers airport relying on the Amsterdam and Aberdeen routes. As such it is just a big rundown shed with very basic facilities.

If KLM ever pull out that will be the end.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 17:54
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Doom and Gloom again I see, don't you ever have anything positive to say, you rub so many people up the wrong way with your uneeded negative and tedious comments on here everytime.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 18:06
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Looks like Eastern are re-basing the aircraft to ABZ based on the new timings. Very similar to the current BM schedule.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 18:40
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Maybe they will be putting the embraer 170 on the route
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 20:48
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Jay, so if Frankfurt has also lost its link to Aberdeen, does that place Frankfurt in the same "pisspot regional airport category" that you seem to have created for Norwich? Of course not. It's more likely that a spate of route cuts at ABZ (Frankfurt, loss of second carrier on NWI and something else yet to come) are related to structural issues in the Aberdeen market rather than any perceived failings of Norwich. It's clearly not good news for Norwich and I don't think anyone would dress it up as such, but using this to pursue the narrow anti-Norwich agenda is an implausible stretch of logic.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 21:05
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One of the structural changes in the ABZ market is that as the focus of the oil industry moves North, the helicopter traffic is transferring to Shetland. I assume that the oil workers are flying via Edinburgh, no need to call in at Aberdeen.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 21:18
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Just incase nobody has seen but the seat map for the flights between NWI/ABZ is the Emb145. Which means only one thing
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 21:39
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Out of interest what is it you think Norwich should be offering given its local economy and catchment? Iberia 4 daily to Madrid? El Al to Tel Aviv? American to JFK?

The loss of BMI will at least save the airport having to keep departures manned for a couple of dozen people each evening
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 23:58
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So are those the only routes that your ex Air UK Captain buddy operated, ABZ and AMS.

Back in the day Air UK operated a NWI/LHR route, a NWI/MME route, NWI/EDI, NWI/HUY, weekend CI routes were popular, not just ABZ and AMS, these other routes were surrendered as a result of Air UK becoming KLM UK whereas only AMS was focused upon.

Get a 3rd runway at LHR and I can envisage that becoming a route, these east coast operators are trying some of the old Air UK routes, the IT routes that seem to be increasing, allbeit slowly, year on year, thanks to Air UK, and Air Anglia before it, KLM has a maintenance base at NWI that brings in rent, landing, parking fees etc., the list goes on, it's far from all about AMS & Helicopters!
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 05:30
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall View Post
Jay, so if Frankfurt has also lost its link to Aberdeen, does that place Frankfurt in the same "pisspot regional airport category" that you seem to have created for Norwich? Of course not. It's more likely that a spate of route cuts at ABZ (Frankfurt, loss of second carrier on NWI and something else yet to come) are related to structural issues in the Aberdeen market rather than any perceived failings of Norwich. It's clearly not good news for Norwich and I don't think anyone would dress it up as such, but using this to pursue the narrow anti-Norwich agenda is an implausible stretch of logic.
In answer to your question Frankfurt is a major airport with nearly 1400 flights a day and clearly not in the same league as tiny Norwich.

As I stated previously the airport has a lot of eggs in the offshore oil business as indeed does Aberdeen.Any decline in that industry is going to affect the bottom line.

The much discussed departure fee is a bone of contention for locals. There is certainly no evidence of it being spent on the terminal. Facts speak for themselves.In 2007 passenger numbers reached a record 772,000.Once they introduced the tax numbers fell below half a million and have never recovered to those levels.

Newquay dropped it and Ryanair returned.

I am merely telling the truth when I say the place is run down and not customer friendly.

Have you read the Skytrax reviews of Norwich airport?

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Old 25th Jan 2018, 21:56
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And the agenda continues!
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 22:02
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I've had some posts deleted by the mods but I'm not bitching or complaining about it, just saying that my complete opinion, in favour of NWI, isn't being heard.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 14:54
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I agreed with them fully.

The UK has enough airports of all different kinds that have been run in all different ways that we can see what works and what doesn't. While Norwich can't be a Newquay (the North Norfolk coast is nice but just isn't the same tourist draw), it needs to try and draw itself out of the same league as Blackpool and Teesside.
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