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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 10:46
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Would not say the government has come to their aid at all. There are not putting any money into the airline. Just yesterday they remortgaged a Dash to a German Bank for 5 million pounds to help their cash flow to help them get through the winter. Cannot keep selling the family silver.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 10:59
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Originally Posted by TangoAlphad View Post
Got any link? That isn't showing up anywhere. I really doubt it if I'm honest..
In the link I posted about 7 posts earlier from the BBC. Here again for you: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-devon-46237170?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bb c_spotlight&ns_linkname=english_regions&ns_fee=0&pinned_post _locator=urn%3Aasset%3A2d2e4318-43ac-4e34-b403-4fd3f790831e&pinned_post_asset_id=5bf658732d48630667fe9200&p inned_post_type=share

"An agreement has been reached between Flybe , Heathrow and the government"
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 11:03
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A statement from the Government on the announcement.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/t...l-and-heathrow
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 11:12
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It is a PSO route so in that respect of course it is supported by the Government, The Government can barely support itself at the moment and I suspect this is ministerial speak to gain a few brownie points.

I admire your optimism Brigantee!
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 11:16
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Originally Posted by TangoAlphad View Post


Given the wording of the poster I was querying, Id assumed it was another piece of news with regards to the Govt bailing out Flybe, not just about agreeing to a regional route.

So, as far as I can see the government is hardly coming to the aid of Flybe as implied would happen by a few posters.
Yes. I think Flybe will find this is as close to help as it will get from the Gov.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 12:11
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Originally Posted by Brigantee View Post
I did predict that the goverment would come to flybe,s aid and was scoffed at by certain individuals.....

Crisis now over i reckon
And another one preserved for future reference.........
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 14:40
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Some decent utilisation rates on that Newquay Heathrow service, good news and goood effort by Flybe on this one
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 14:52
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[QUOTE=Andy_S;10317284]And another one preserved for future reference.........[/QUOTE


Feel free to preserve all you like and when its obvious shortly that flybe do have a secure future you can remind yourself how right i was all along😎
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 14:58
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Originally Posted by Brigantee View Post

Feel free to preserve all you like and when it’s obvious shortly that flybe do have a secure future you can remind yourself how right i was all along��
There's a difference between Flybe surviving and Flybe surviving because the Government intervenes and saves them. Given other companies and industries which have gone under - like Monarch, I doubt the Gov is going to intervene and help Flybe and so far have seen nothing to say otherwise.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 15:04
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Being projected that each passenger round trip NQY/LHR/NQY will cost the UK taxpayer 10.

SEN are still hoping for their own service from NQY,if it now happens why is it expected to be self supporting & cash generating when ops into one of the World`s premier airports evidently is not.

Many regional airports around the UK are looking askance at this BEE/LHR/CG cobble up after their own services have been withdrawn or reduced.

BEE & CG & to a lessor extent LHR are all at sea...
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 15:10
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Originally Posted by southside bobby View Post
Being projected that each passenger round trip NQY/LHR/NQY will cost the UK taxpayer 10.

SEN are still hoping for their own service from NQY,if it now happens why is it expected to be self supporting & cash generating when ops into one of the World`s premier airports evidently is not.

Many regional airports around the UK are looking askance at this BEE/LHR/CG cobble up after their own services have been withdrawn or reduced.

BEE & CG & to a lessor extent LHR are all at sea...
You're comparing apples and oranges - Southend doesn't have the worldwide connections that LHR has, and it is that access that is being paid for by the PSO. If other regional airlines are looking askance, it's because they haven't done as good a job as NQY and Cornwall Council
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 15:31
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How would moving 1 route save them? Surely this is just peanuts in terms the whole operation?
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 16:07
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Whatever happened to poetic license?...Yes I do actually comprehend all the fundamentals involved but use license to draw attention to the two main parties involved both BEE & CG who do not inspire confidence & who both have clarity of vision deficit.
Tory seats in the West Country anyone with possible elections threatening.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 16:38
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Originally Posted by southside bobby View Post
Being projected that each passenger round trip NQY/LHR/NQY will cost the UK taxpayer 10.

SEN are still hoping for their own service from NQY,if it now happens why is it expected to be self supporting & cash generating when ops into one of the World`s premier airports evidently is not.

Many regional airports around the UK are looking askance at this BEE/LHR/CG cobble up after their own services have been withdrawn or reduced.

BEE & CG & to a lessor extent LHR are all at sea...
It's no different than Inverness not having APD on it's flights. Cornwall isn't easy to get to and the PSO is an investment in the area.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 16:57
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Slight difference is that INV has 4 trains a day and they are more than likely to go tech due to landslides etc.

Anyone think any airline is going to touch the with TUPE etc then they are sadly mistaken. Government sub not going to happen either due to being highly illegal.

Honestly flybe's management are utter heads up their own arse by buying the setup and AoC your taking on all the redundancy payments and more importantly all the baggage and useless management. Operating crew and gingers no an issue with the rest of the dead wood nobody will touch.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 17:21
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So what we have with the transfer of the route to Heathrow is:

* The existing PSO subsidy was about to run out and has been renewed. That's the government involvement explained.
* Heathrow offers 15 / pax discount on handling charges for new UK routes. That's Heathrow's involvement explained.
* Flybe was able to obtain remedy slots at LHR from the IAG/bmi takeover. That's the airline's involvement explained.

I really can't see anything more substantive for the airline than this - other than that it might be able to sell its existing slots at LGW.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 17:23
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
Slight difference is that INV has 4 trains a day and they are more than likely to go tech due to landslides etc.

Anyone think any airline is going to touch the with TUPE etc then they are sadly mistaken. Government sub not going to happen either due to being highly illegal.

Honestly flybe's management are utter heads up their own arse by buying the setup and AoC your taking on all the redundancy payments and more importantly all the baggage and useless management. Operating crew and gingers no an issue with the rest of the dead wood nobody will touch.
Inverness has far more than 4 trains per day - unless you are talking about connections to London, which is a peak of the Highland Chieftain and Caledonian Sleeper once a day in each direction on top of the peak air links of 8 A320 flights to London each day. There is also many opportunities to connect in Edinburgh to London services. Also landslides are only really common on the Far North Line and are rare on the Highland Mainline.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 17:40
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Virgin & Flybe:

https://news.sky.com/story/virgin-at...flybe-11560548
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 17:40
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Sky News are reporting Virgin Atlantic are in talks to buy Flybe.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 17:49
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i was born north of Dundee and connections to London other than Air are utterly pants. Sleeper is a nice option though which i do pay the extra for on occasion.

Virgin trains I might understand an interest in the operation.... but then again they have similar issues as flybe….

Atlantic more than likely operates with a couple of ops controllers one tech guy 24H to take on the flybe fleet would blow the ops model out the water. Can't see it myself...
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