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Old 25th Apr 2020, 05:54
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I really wouldn’t be surprised if it was mandated that you have to wear as mask onboard an aircraft - in a similar way we had no sharp objects and the liquid rule. Masks available at the airport like the plastic bags for liquids.

Not fool proof, but probably the best comprimise available at the moment.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 09:07
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Originally Posted by vikingivesterled View Post
The guaranteed no infection left behind is not possible with the existing seat configuration either, so just a distraction.
And a "majority will recover" statement is nearly as bad as saying the majority will survive the flight. That don't fly with most.
Most will recover and that is fact because were that not the case then the death rate would be in the hundreds of thousands in UK alone by now. The projected mortality rate is circa 1% or less of those infected.

As of yesterday it is 20k and will continue to rise but UK own statistics have shown that in winter 2014/15 there were 28,330 deaths from flu. People who tested and shown to have Covid-19 who then die are recorded as having died of it even though it has been highlighted that a significant majority have severe underlying medical conitions and dying anyway. In addition people who die and not been tested are excluded from the statistics even though they may have died from Covid-19. On that basis the stats have a great deal of unreliability as have been highlighted numerous time in the last month by the media.

WHO estimates that between 270,000 and 650,000 died each year from influenza and have caution with that figure as many people who caught it are not reported as dying from it where there were underlying conditions.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/flu-bi...dlines/5701932

If you want to be difficult there exists a selfdisinfecting cloth for masks, made in Israel, that uses copperpowder from a norwegian factory, that kills the virus.
But I'm sure there could be found cheaper and easier solutions. I'm thinking wipe down vinyl or quick change and boilwash. Unless one thinks the world now only consists of problems and for anything to work in the future it has to be like before.
What is better; a thorough clean between flights or max 2/3 capacity, or even less if one in addition to midle seat starts with leaving rows free also.
The ones that adapts will be the future winners, like always. Are you ahead of the game you even get to design the solution. I remember Ryanair engineering used to have a sewing unit for seat repairs, that probably could put togheter a sample.
Viruses by their nature change all the time and will continue to do so. Catching the virus and allowing the body deal with it has been the most effective way for thousands of years. It will continue to be the way going forward and no end of expensive solutions will change it.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 09:23
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Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
We know the majority of people get better big-brain, the problem is that collectively we don't have the capacity in our hospitals to care for the ones who don't. If you don't limit the spread then being "in the minority" is a death sentence, simple as that.

There's no proof people can't catch it twice. There's no proof the virus won't be latent in your body for decades after getting better and then kill you one day like the measles can. There's no way to even predict whether you're likely to be in the minority who get sick as many sick/old have made an apparent full recovery.
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You're just plain wrong if you think COVID-19 is nothing new. Nobody alive has seen anything anything like it.
Everybody has seen a Covid-19 type virus, it is called influenza and WHO estimates kills 650,000 people per year and even then that likely a significant underestimate.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/....+Lancet.+2017

Viruses killing thouands are not new because TB is estimated to infect 10 million plus people a year with 1.3 million dying and a mortality rate of 3%. As it is not a 1st world disease unless an outbreak close to a media station it is ignored.

US CDC estimates flu season in the US has 40 million infections per year with circa 60,000 plus deaths in a normal year but because the data is not fully recorded and someone dying on cancer who has flu can be recorded in either or both or something else.

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Old 25th Apr 2020, 09:26
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Originally Posted by toledoashley View Post
I really wouldn’t be surprised if it was mandated that you have to wear as mask onboard an aircraft - in a similar way we had no sharp objects and the liquid rule. Masks available at the airport like the plastic bags for liquids.

Not fool proof, but probably the best comprimise available at the moment.
Cheapest solution and likely most effective because while it won't neceassarily stop you catching something it may stop someone else spreading it. Also likely only required at certain times of the year i.e. flu season.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 09:30
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A couple of points to note, the 20k dead in U.K. so far is highly likely a significant underestimation (could even be double) and we’ve still got some way to go so the flu argument is redundant.

The fit and well and the under 70s carrying on with normal life is all well and good but how does that help route economics and the viability of some airlines. Sure, Stansted-Sofia may be fine but how about Stansted-Alicante? Malaga? Could such routes sustain a huge loss of market, disproportionately high in the months such routes are at their weakest
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 09:37
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Ryanair will have to shrink down a bit. They seem more than capable of cutting underperforming routes/frequencies and opening other routes instead. Why should Stansted-Alicante in October (outside half term) be any different ?
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 09:40
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post
A couple of points to note, the 20k dead in U.K. so far is highly likely a significant underestimation (could even be double) and we’ve still got some way to go so the flu argument is redundant.

The fit and well and the under 70s carrying on with normal life is all well and good but how does that help route economics and the viability of some airlines. Sure, Stansted-Sofia may be fine but how about Stansted-Alicante? Malaga? Could such routes sustain a huge loss of market, disproportionately high in the months such routes are at their weakest
It could just as equally be lower because having been diagnosed positive with Covid-19 and dying, doesn't mean you died of Covid-19 but the stats are recording it that way.

Likewise nursing homes are getting unrecorded but in flu season the undertaker is a regular caller at a nursing home in a bad flu season.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 09:50
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
It could just as equally be lower because having been diagnosed positive with Covid-19 and dying, doesn't mean you died of Covid-19 but the stats are recording it that way.
In principle yes but there has been a rise of thousands in deaths compared to what is normal. So in actual fact Covid-19 is causing significant additional mortality no matter whether officially someone died from it or some other unrelated/underlying cause. The net additional deaths on their own will most likely exceed the flu figure.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 11:06
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Everybody has seen a Covid-19 type virus, it is called influenza and WHO estimates kills 650,000 people per year and even then that likely a significant underestimate.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/....+Lancet.+2017

Viruses killing thouands are not new because TB is estimated to infect 10 million plus people a year with 1.3 million dying and a mortality rate of 3%. As it is not a 1st world disease unless an outbreak close to a media station it is ignored.

US CDC estimates flu season in the US has 40 million infections per year with circa 60,000 plus deaths in a normal year but because the data is not fully recorded and someone dying on cancer who has flu can be recorded in either or both or something else.
Where do I start? The only similarity between Covid19 and flu is that they are both RNA viruses. The nearest relatives to Covid19 are some of the viruses which cause the common cold.
And TB of course isn't a virus at all, it's a mycobacterium.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 22:12
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post
In principle yes but there has been a rise of thousands in deaths compared to what is normal. So in actual fact Covid-19 is causing significant additional mortality no matter whether officially someone died from it or some other unrelated/underlying cause. The net additional deaths on their own will most likely exceed the flu figure.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...isional/latest

ONS looks at what is mentioned on death certificates as the last press release indicates.
Deaths are way above normal but underlying medical conditions are playing a massive part as born out by Govt statement after statement.
The who basis of looking at this will be over a year and as the year goes on the total deaths could increase but also decrease v normal as Covid-19 may have hastened the deaths of people who may have died anyway this year anyway.

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Old 25th Apr 2020, 22:30
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Originally Posted by inOban View Post
Where do I start? The only similarity between Covid19 and flu is that they are both RNA viruses. The nearest relatives to Covid19 are some of the viruses which cause the common cold.
And TB of course isn't a virus at all, it's a mycobacterium.
TB may be so BUT 1.5 million people died of TB in 2018, likely the same last year and the same this year and it spreads through the air when people cough, spit or sneeze................ exactly the same as Covid-19.

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Old 25th Apr 2020, 23:30
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
TB may be so BUT 1.5 million people died of TB in 2018, likely the same last year and the same this year and it spreads through the air when people cough, spit or sneeze................ exactly the same as Covid-19.
Why are you comparing CoVid19 to a disease most of us are vaccinated against and have been for a long time. I got my BCG in 75. A whatever most of the population are already immune to is hardly comparable to a virus no vaccine exists against, we are only learning how to treat appropriately and which immunity against or for how long still cannot be confirmed even if you have had it. Such a lax atitude is not going to bring customers back to Ryanair or any other airline in any numbers anytime soon.
In addition its Trump talk and most european politicians will likely take a different and mouch more careful line in precautions including how cross border including airline traffic is handled. At least to avoid 14 days in quarantine for every passenger. Unless you are planning a Sweden-Hungary-Brasil-USA (Tegnell(politicians keeping a low profile),Orban,Bolsonaro,Trump) combination route. But then Ryanair at least would need some Norwgian 787's.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 01:24
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
TB may be so BUT 1.5 million people died of TB in 2018, likely the same last year and the same this year and it spreads through the air when people cough, spit or sneeze................ exactly the same as Covid-19.
Setting aside whether TB can be managed with medication or can be vaccinated against - which it can.

TB DOESN'T SEND YOU TO HOSPITAL WITHIN WEEKS OF YOU BEING EXPOSED TO IT

Without a vaccine it is inevitable that we will all catch COVID-19 one day as we have no immunity, that fact has not eluded our world's epidemiologists. The question is do you let everybody get sick at once, ensuring that most or all of the people who suffer complications will die? Or do you slow the spread as long as possible to give the health system time to manage the cases without running out of basic supplies like surgical masks? To buy our medical researchers time to test potential treatments or vaccines?

PPE is one thing, more can be made within a few weeks. It takes decades to retrain a specialist doctor if one succumbs to the illness after catching it from a patient.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 07:28
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Without a vaccine it is inevitable that we will all catch COVID-19 one day as we have no immunity, that fact has not eluded our world's epidemiologists.
I do not excpect to catch it. But it may happen if we open travel to countries which completely failed like UK. Here in Lithuania we have only 0,05% population infected and it is on decline now. Poland has even less cases per population, about half of that. The goal should have been not to slow it but to completely erradicate and that was quite possible if acted on time.

And to put in the perspective what Poland has done to have that rate - when they closed boarders they even refused to let Lithuanian passenger cars cross from Germany to return, we had thousands stranded. Only buses were allowed to cross after a few days of negotiations and those drove with police escort. Cars were not accepted even with police escort offered as an option, they had to use ferry or stay.

The idea of having free travel so soon will be looked at quite sceptical here.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 07:51
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I suppose with two seperate Ryanair threads on the go, there's no need to talk about Ryanair on the Ryanair thread.

Maybe somebody should open a more generalist thread on the impact of the virus on air travel? Oh, wait...
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 09:38
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Any idea what the FR68 today wss doing DUB-ROB?
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 11:00
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Any idea what the FR68 today wss doing DUB-ROB?
That's got to be close to the limit of what a 738 can do.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 11:27
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That's got to be close to the limit of what a 738 can do.
Depends on the load factor. They routinely fly BFI-DUB on delivery flights from Seattle.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 13:14
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Any idea what the FR68 today wss doing DUB-ROB?
Aren’t there Irish military personnel stationed in west Africa for peacekeeping duties? I’d assume this would be a charter for troop movement reasons?

i thought, back in the day, excel airways used to fly some of these charters on the B738...so it should be doable non-stop subject to loads..?
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 13:23
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Originally Posted by Noxegon
That's got to be close to the limit of what a 738 can do.
Depends on the load factor. They routinely fly BFI-DUB on delivery flights from Seattle.
I think they refuel at KEF en route.
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