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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 17:08
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MOL currently live on Sky News just said Airbus asked them if they would take aircraft before 2025 ..... sound like there talking to Airbus.... guessing this is for Lauda
2001 revisited per chance. Airbus would love nothing better than a big order from Ryanair. Lauda is separate as always had Airbus but rest of fleet is a biggie.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 17:13
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Winter 2020/2021

Amongst all the coronavirus chaos, it looks like most W20/21 routes have now been put on sale.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 18:06
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Originally Posted by toledoashley
Ryanair group have said that existing aircraft won’t be repainted to their respective AOC airline. Only new aircraft will be.
That’s interesting! It’s all just Ryanair doing a Norwegian with multiple AOCs.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 18:56
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
That’s interesting! It’s all just Ryanair doing a Norwegian with multiple AOCs.
Nope

More like do you care what aircraft looks like outside when you travelling from A to B because airline has zero intentions of spending €€€€€ to repaint it when it doesn't need it.

Marketing will hate it because Marketing likes to spend money, even it has no payback return then will use touch feely phrases to justify it.

If spending €100,000 repainting aircraft saved £1k per flight sector then yup it would be done.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 19:15
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Originally Posted by racedo
Nope

More like do you care what aircraft looks like outside when you travelling from A to B because airline has zero intentions of spending €€€€€ to repaint it when it doesn't need it.

Marketing will hate it because Marketing likes to spend money, even it has no payback return then will use touch feely phrases to justify it.

If spending €100,000 repainting aircraft saved £1k per flight sector then yup it would be done.
If that was correct, all Ryanair Aircraft would be factor white, advertising is advertising, if someone was traveling through, say Stansted, and seen an MALTA AIR aircraft, they would know to look online for Malta Air from Stansted, there is no better advertising than a big colourful aircraft parked on stand.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 19:45
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Originally Posted by daz211
If that was correct, all Ryanair Aircraft would be factor white, advertising is advertising, if someone was traveling through, say Stansted, and seen an MALTA AIR aircraft, they would know to look online for Malta Air from Stansted, there is no better advertising than a big colourful aircraft parked on stand.
But they are painted Ryanair already, done when purchased as part of the deal. If you want to fly from Stansted to Malta and you look on Ryanair you will still buy but does it matter if it says Ryanair / Malta / Buzz or all in white on the outside ?

Spending huge amounts of money to repaint aircraft when not needed is not good use of money, retrofitting anything costs money, if you could guarantee that in another brand you charge € extra then can justify it but lets face it you cannot.

Aircraft will morph into new brands over lifetime when new aircraft arrive. Better to save millions when nobody really will care what it looks like as long as Fare is reasonable / flight arrives on time.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 20:01
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Originally Posted by racedo
But they are painted Ryanair already, done when purchased as part of the deal. If you want to fly from Stansted to Malta and you look on Ryanair you will still buy but does it matter if it says Ryanair / Malta / Buzz or all in white on the outside ?

Spending huge amounts of money to repaint aircraft when not needed is not good use of money, retrofitting anything costs money, if you could guarantee that in another brand you charge € extra then can justify it but lets face it you cannot.

Aircraft will morph into new brands over lifetime when new aircraft arrive. Better to save millions when nobody really will care what it looks like as long as Fare is reasonable / flight arrives on time.
But I have already seen a BUZZ (MAX), painted BUZZ yellow, with a big 🐝 Bee on its tail.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 04:56
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Originally Posted by daz211
But I have already seen a BUZZ (MAX), painted BUZZ yellow, with a big 🐝 Bee on its tail.
That’s in Seattle at Boeing, already painted from brand new build. Current aircraft in the fleet transferring to Buzz or Malta Air will not be repainted in the new livery’s
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 07:36
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Would expect Ryanair to start Exeter to Dublin, Bournemouth to Belfast, Isle of Man to UK and a few others (Southend to Belfast?) to plug what could be profitable routes left open by Flybe, no?
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 11:04
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
Would expect Ryanair to start Exeter to Dublin, Bournemouth to Belfast, Isle of Man to UK and a few others (Southend to Belfast?) to plug what could be profitable routes left open by Flybe, no?
If APD is changed you will have Logan / Eastern / Stobart taking some routes.

However I doubt Ryanair will pick up a single route from this. Possibly expansion into SOU in the future but they already at BOH.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 11:22
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Originally Posted by racedo
Nope

More like do you care what aircraft looks like outside when you travelling from A to B because airline has zero intentions of spending €€€€€ to repaint it when it doesn't need it.

Marketing will hate it because Marketing likes to spend money, even it has no payback return then will use touch feely phrases to justify it.
If spending €100,000 repainting aircraft saved £1k per flight sector then yup it would be done.
Hello Mr Knee-Jerk! One thing FR do well is keep their B737s external appearance clean and well maintained. You can easily tell that many of them are frequently repainted, albeit into standard billboard Ryanair colours. This is what happens when you keep tweaking the livery, the B737-800s are on their second livery, which has had a few angled and breast sized related tweaks 😁
At least a few of the Polish and Maltese aircraft will be due a repaint this year. So they will either be rebranded, or simply given a fresh coat of Ryanair.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 16:24
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Official today Mr MOL states that he (FR) will not go in to SOU (talking about the Flybe collapse) as his aircraft are too big.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 20:03
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
Hello Mr Knee-Jerk! One thing FR do well is keep their B737s external appearance clean and well maintained. You can easily tell that many of them are frequently repainted, albeit into standard billboard Ryanair colours. This is what happens when you keep tweaking the livery, the B737-800s are on their second livery, which has had a few angled and breast sized related tweaks 😁
At least a few of the Polish and Maltese aircraft will be due a repaint this year. So they will either be rebranded, or simply given a fresh coat of Ryanair.
I fly Ryanair about once a month and have also noticed this ref the sparkling paintwork for some of their older aircraft (10-16yrs). Good to see, but shame the inside isn’t the same, more difficult to maintain obviously. The new Boeing interior is nice buy whatever material is used on the overhead panel is certainly not compatible with keeping clean, gets black really easily and hard to clean. Not a Ryanair issue but standard on Boeing new interiors...typical cheap supplier quality issue.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 23:20
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Originally Posted by rog747
Official today Mr MOL states that he (FR) will not go in to SOU (talking about the Flybe collapse) as his aircraft are too big.
Since Ryanair Holding is now a multi airline outfit with more than one type of aircraft, O'Leary could easily add another airline with a smaller aircraft under the umbrella.
An airline that could take up some of the routes where the 737-800 have proved to large, or to airports where the runways are to short. A situation that will only get worse with the Max.
Would give them another leg to balance on. With the management, capital, systems and expertise backing of the rest of the group such an aiirline might even make a profit in the regional market.
If not for CoVid-19 they could easily afford it.
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 23:51
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Current B73H fleet :
Ryanair 304
Malta Air 100
Ryanair Sun / Buzz 39
Ryanair UK 1

Setting aside Lauda, 32% of the B73H fleet has been moved out of Irish registry.
Huge change from one size uniformity fitting all markets under one brand, with varying employment contracts.
Are they really gonna have 107 (planned) Malta Air B73Hs? Are they really not just going to be sold as Ryanair but flown as 9H- out of a Maltese shell company? Can’t see them re-branding all of these transferred aircraft!
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Old 7th Mar 2020, 02:35
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What's the purpose of the Malta brand to Ryanair ? It's not really visible to customers and has little or no identity of its own. Is it just Ryanair-but-lower-staff-salaries, or is it intended to have a public-facing image different to FR ?
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Old 7th Mar 2020, 08:01
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
What's the purpose of the Malta brand to Ryanair ? It's not really visible to customers and has little or no identity of its own. Is it just Ryanair-but-lower-staff-salaries, or is it intended to have a public-facing image different to FR ?
I think you've answered your own question. Plus a very generous corporate tax rate, despite the EU's hypocrisy over level playing fields.
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Old 7th Mar 2020, 09:39
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
What's the purpose of the Malta brand to Ryanair ? It's not really visible to customers and has little or no identity of its own. Is it just Ryanair-but-lower-staff-salaries, or is it intended to have a public-facing image different to FR ?
is it not simply a means to use the Maltese rights to countries beyond the EU in north Africa & Middle East, where there are no EU bi-lateral agreements - giving Ryanair a reach into markets otherwise inaccessible.

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Old 7th Mar 2020, 10:08
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is it not simply a means to use the Maltese rights to countries beyond the EU in north Africa & Middle East, where there are no EU bi-lateral agreements - giving Ryanair a reach into markets otherwise inaccessible.

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Don't think you need 100+ a/c for that
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Zadar base opening in May rather than April. Corona to blame officially but is this really the case?
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