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Old 11th Aug 2018, 21:00
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Ryanair is cash-rich because its business model works. If the pilots win major changes to their employment packages, thereby increasing costs substantially, Ryanair's mission to be lowest cost operator will take a hit. They can't afford to let the pilots win, and if any settlement is too costly I can see future changes to the business model that the pilots might not like.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 21:10
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The thing is they could cover crew needs and passenger relations simply by adding 1 or €1 to every seat sold.
its not rocket science, people would pay more if they knew no matter what happens the airline would look after you.
There is no need for the loco mentality anymore everyone is doing it, Ryanair could grow fast with a better image.
most choose Ryanair for there good departure times and network coverage not necessarily price, we are only talking a or € for god sake.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 23:28
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
The thing is they could cover crew needs and passenger relations simply by adding 1 or 1 to every seat sold.
its not rocket science, people would pay more if they knew no matter what happens the airline would look after you.
You mean like this one!

https://aviator.aero/press_releases/10278
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 23:50
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"People in Rome with no money is just poor money management on there behalf, how did they survive on there holiday in Rome or when they are going."

But they probably didn't realise that they would be stranded in Rome for 5 days, and told to find their own flights home, and then hope that Ryanair find it in their hearts to reimburse them.
Its one thing to support the defensible, but supporting the indefensible as you are doing, demeans the validity of your replies.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 00:39
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Originally Posted by wowzz View Post
"People in Rome with no money is just poor money management on there behalf, how did they survive on there holiday in Rome or when they are going."

But they probably didn't realise that they would be stranded in Rome for 5 days, and told to find their own flights home, and then hope that Ryanair find it in their hearts to reimburse them.
Its one thing to support the defensible, but supporting the indefensible as you are doing, demeans the validity of your replies.
Cmon, is this PPRuNe or Facebook?

Ryanair have a duty to get you home as they've sent you out there originally. They also have a duty to pay for the hotels you require and food you consume to a reasonable standard. Often passengers seem to think they won't do these things and themselves opt out of clauses in which these duties are held, leaving themselves often in worse positions.

While airlines have a duty to supply EU261 information, it is their own fault if they cannot carry out this basic research before travelling. This information is not hard to find yet ignorance and outrage due to a consumers own ignorance is unbelievable. I'm not stating my opinion on the conditions of Ryanair employees, but rather the complete and utter inability for people to look out for themselves.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 00:49
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With a such a significant drop in the share price in the last month does MOL have the ability to hold on to his position or is it the beginning of the end for him and will ultimately be pushed out?

Look at where we are in the world in terms of economy. In the employment sector if we do not like our jobs we go somewhere else and this is happening in all facets of industry. So many industries looking for staff and they are just nowhere to be found.

The shareholders patience will eventually run out and they will want an improved product. The started this a few years ago with the nicey nicey feel but MOL just can't help himself.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 01:58
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Originally Posted by AerRyan View Post
Cmon, is this PPRuNe or Facebook?

Ryanair have a duty to get you home as they've sent you out there originally. They also have a duty to pay for the hotels you require and food you consume to a reasonable standard. Often passengers seem to think they won't do these things and themselves opt out of clauses in which these duties are held, leaving themselves often in worse positions.

While airlines have a duty to supply EU261 information, it is their own fault if they cannot carry out this basic research before travelling. This information is not hard to find yet ignorance and outrage due to a consumers own ignorance is unbelievable. I'm not stating my opinion on the conditions of Ryanair employees, but rather the complete and utter inability for people to look out for themselves.
Trust me, the majority of passengers knew their rights.
The staff at the desk were simply saying, we are not Ryanair, there is nothing we can do.
Passengers were asking for simple information and being told 4-5 days wait for 2 seats back to Stansted.
when asked what hotel or alternative was available, they replied no flight are guaranteed not even 5 days, no hotel at all and no food go and book other flights with other airlines before they are full and in the end the shutter was pulled down.
so what can you do.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 09:24
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Originally Posted by LGS6753 View Post
Ryanair is cash-rich because its business model works. If the pilots win major changes to their employment packages, thereby increasing costs substantially, Ryanair's mission to be lowest cost operator will take a hit. They can't afford to let the pilots win, and if any settlement is too costly I can see future changes to the business model that the pilots might not like.
Very true words. The pilots may win the battle, but ultimately they are going lose the war!

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Old 12th Aug 2018, 09:38
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With a such a significant drop in the share price in the last month does MOL have the ability to hold on to his position or is it the beginning of the end for him and will ultimately be pushed out?

Look at where we are in the world in terms of economy. In the employment sector if we do not like our jobs we go somewhere else and this is happening in all facets of industry. So many industries looking for staff and they are just nowhere to be found.

The shareholders patience will eventually run out and they will want an improved product. The started this a few years ago with the nicey nicey feel but MOL just can't help himself.
It's frankly naive and short sighted to think Michael O'Leary is the boggie man you want him to become. Ryanair is run by a board and executive leadership team, and not O'Leary. He may be the guy wheeled out to media press conferences and the guy says it as is is, no bullsh!t, no sugar coated, no airy fairy woolie language. But of course some folks can't take that direct blunt tone, cause it cuts through the crap and gets to the heart of the debate and issues. At the end of the day, he's a hard nosed businessman and he's been a huge part of building the successful expansion at Ryanair and the thousands of jobs ultimately created and their welcomed aggressive competition to force airfares downwards. There is no doubt, air travel across Europe wouldn't be what it is today but for likes of Ryanair (and some others too). This dispute will blow over, it will get resolved and lessons will be learned and Ryanair will continue growth and deliver superior shareholder value and returns to the investment market. That's king in today's fast paced investor market.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 12:03
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All talk at the UK-CAA (x27 !)

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I think you'll find that the CAA does not agree with you, as regards EU261 not applying. The view is that the industrial action and consequent flight cancellations, are within Ryanair's control, and that EU 261 is therefore applicable .
But the problem here is, what exactly are the CAA doing to enforce EU261 with this (and other) airlines.

My reply?

Sweet FA !

Multiply this by 27 (especially in the case of Ireland; Republic of) and the result is exactly what we see today.

The EU261 law is just so much hot air in most cases.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 12:08
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Originally Posted by mik3bravo View Post
... Ryanair is run by a board and executive leadership team, and not O'Leary. He may be the guy wheeled out to media press conferences and the guy says it as is is, no bullsh!t, no sugar coated, no airy fairy woolie language. But of course some folks can't take that direct blunt tone, cause it cuts through the crap and gets to the heart of the debate and issues. At the end of the day, he's a hard nosed businessman and he's been a huge part of building the successful expansion at Ryanair and the thousands of jobs ultimately created and their welcomed aggressive competition to force airfares downwards. There is no doubt, air travel across Europe wouldn't be what it is today but for likes of Ryanair (and some others too).
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Originally Posted by mik3bravo View Post
...Ryanair will continue growth and deliver superior shareholder value and returns to the investment market.
See previous comment
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 13:24
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You really sound like the mouthpiece for Ryanair mik3bravo on here. I am the the first to defend free speech but come on 'it will blow over' never heard such tosh for a longtime, I should know I was connected to the media in one form or another all my working life.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 13:54
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It will blow over, it's not like the French ATC strikes which will be a staple of air travel in Europe for the foreseeable future.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 14:47
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c3b...

"Events dear boy events"...

Being media savy then you will realise any news being front & centre does not last for too long exceptions being B****t & also our beloved politicos...

More than halfway thru the major holiday season where the max disruption has been caused & although actual resolutions may or may not be in evidence in the very short term as far as mass media scrutiny is concerned "it will blow over"...it always does as with any subject...

Major flag carriers in Europe have suffered many labour disputes in the past with all the resultant media attention,of course now all "blown over"...
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 23:46
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News from the FR web site...….FR to sell AIR MALTA tickets on the FR web site seems that a deal has been done by both airlines.....make what you will out of that!!!!!!!!!
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 06:27
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EU261 Compensation Cheques sent out not signed - charged extra fees by banks, and no response from Ryanair when the recipients complained.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45262871
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 08:30
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
Trust me, the majority of passengers knew their rights.
The staff at the desk were simply saying, we are not Ryanair, there is nothing we can do.
Passengers were asking for simple information and being told 4-5 days wait for 2 seats back to Stansted.
when asked what hotel or alternative was available, they replied no flight are guaranteed not even 5 days, no hotel at all and no food go and book other flights with other airlines before they are full and in the end the shutter was pulled down.
so what can you do.


The law stands as it stands. To which extent someone you are doing business with complies with the law and how difficult (or not) it is to force the law upon your business partner is no different whether you are dealing with Ryanair or someone else. Ryanair (and a lot of other airlines) are simply difficult business partners and it is a choice everyone has to make whether or not you want to enter into contractual relationships with someone who will give you headaches if something goes wrong. As the law stands as it stands, in the end you will prevail, but it will require instructing a legal service provider, advancing costs for travel, accommodation plus legal fees. That is what your business partner bases his business model on: "So what can you do."

If I remember correctly, I have received compensation and/or damages without a fuss only once (from a US carrier). In all other cases I had to throw the law book at them, either by threatening legal action or actually initiating proceedings. Not once so far it actually ended up in court. As soon as they saw that I meant business and was about to play hardball, they were quick to cough up the dough. However, I am not really chasing compensation. There have been cases in which I would have been entitled to compensation and I could not be bothered to do something as I was not seriously inconvenienced or had suffered a monetary loss.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 08:37
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
EU261 Compensation Cheques sent out not signed - charged extra fees by banks, and no response from Ryanair when the recipients complained.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45262871
I'm mystified. Normally if I've paid for a service by card then any refund is paid back into that card account. Why would Ryanair be using cheques, it seems so inefficient, and so 20th century. Can you still buy a seat on Ryanair using cash or cheque?
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 09:03
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I wonder why/how these silly people paid unsigned cheques into their accounts in the first place. Is there no end to stupidity in this country?
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 09:15
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Originally Posted by True Blue View Post
I wonder why/how these silly people paid unsigned cheques into their accounts in the first place. Is there no end to stupidity in this country?
Many of these naive people will probably never have seen a cheque, wedded as they are to electronic everything. It's a wonder they knew where to take their cheque!!!
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