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Old 29th Oct 2017, 11:46
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And something like 6 circuits and bumps in the aircraft, sometimes the simulator though, that passengers cannot be carried in.

Then, dependant upon operator ops manual, for the first few line training sectors a third (safety) pilot may be required.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 11:59
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True I was thinking of my last conversion, which was a zero flight time rating.

Although with the ATR it wouldn't surprise me if the Sim cost plus hotac etc plus payment for the TRE in Sim plus TRE line training Captain for the first 4 sectors wouldn't be the same as doing 4 circuits in the aircraft anyway.

Anyway your looking at about 40K per pilot converting onto type and it taking at least 3 months to get them released to line. And even then it will take 100 hours of flying after that to be become completely de-restricted for low vis stuff and flying with other inexperienced crew possibly also they will have lower xwind limits as well depending on what the SOP say.
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Thanks for the info about type ratings, that probably explains why the ATR flew to Scatsa and looks like it did the touch and go's there.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 12:10
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Scatsa there could be a few reasons why they did that.

There is a thing called area and aerodrome competency for Captains.

Scatsa at 1360meters is pretty short and it only has offset none precision approaches. So they may have a requirement to tick a box for the aerodrome competency to allow the captain to operate in there.

It might be something like self brief and 200 hours on type or 2 touch n goes with a TRE to get an immediate sign off. As they will want everyone to be able to operate into there quickly they go for touch and goes.

I really don't know, as that sort of stuff will be subject to the flight ops inspectors requirements.

Per say I don't think any TRE is going to go and do circuits at Scatsa if they can help it with new on type pilots.
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 07:27
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So with the end of Flybe flights in the new year t/f Sumburgh, what will Eastern do with their E170s? Do they still have work for them?
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 08:20
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Gossip from the corridor

Speculation is the white one will go back to the BACF contract and the other one will be doing ABZ-LCY. Apparently it was never the plan to keep it on the LSI route beyond the new year. All crew room gossip/theory of course.
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 11:03
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Hard to say, EA crews are often the last ones to find anything out.
That said, Flybeís motives and judgement in opening up these routes to the level of competition that a direct head to head with Loganair bought is questionable to say the least. Filling an aircraft with a proportion of cheap seats is great, but look at other places where it works for them and the islanders would have been stuck with 2 or 3 rotations a day to get full aircraft and a successful route.
Of course itís a nice Teflon get out to say it was a great idea to run a 170, itís the right aircraft and it didnít work because our new friend wasnít up to it.
Whether it was the right aircraft or not we wonít know now as they never tried to get in or out with 70 pax, even on a good weather day. Personally I prefer to trust the pilots who had the opinion that it was definitely not the right aircraft, either financially or operationally.
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 15:01
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Flybe will probably try and save face by not binning EA altogether. People generally are not good as saying theyíve made a ridiculously stupid decision.
EA have done a good job at bringing down the reputation and probably lost money for Flybe. Any further involvement with EA is pure insanity. But I fear egoís will be the primary concern not future profitable sustainability.
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 16:54
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Isn't there a five year agreement?
I can't believe Flybe didn't see this coming.
I wonder if they will now codeshare with Loganair?

Shetland News image (of course, Flybe were never 'Here Yesterday' as it was always Loganair.)


Flybe's Ronnie Matheson behind his company's tag line, which did not quite come to pass. Photo: Shetland News
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Old 11th Dec 2017, 03:00
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Business is business though, and Loganair might be keen to get into the regions that Flybe serves.

But yes, I totally agree that Flybe have done themselves no favours and indeed, still compete in KOI and SYY.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 16:37
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I can't see Eastern surviving in any form. Too many cancellations often at very short notice on their old established routes are forcing us to use alternative modes and routes. Their customer service is appalling. If you need to be in Aberdeen at a certain time don't fly with this lot.
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 14:57
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There are crew that worked at eastern when they first went to HUM who left predicting that they would go under soon due to crewing to incompetency and constant operations stupidity.

They even at one point had 20 odd hire cars out on hire sitting in a car park in Nairn one of them had been their for 6 weeks. It was only discovered apparently when the hotel owner complained that he was running out of car parking space.

Eastern is still running 15 years later. And the word from the guys who have escaped recently is that the place is exactly the same.
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 19:40
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The timetable says that, compared to the Eastern of 15 years ago, current Eastern is showing signs of starting to flap around looking for a role and not necessarily finding it.

Businesses have less money for flights, passengers are more tight, bigger airports are less welcoming of smaller planes, regional flying is less of a Thing all over Europe, and having been forced out its comfort zone Loganair is a real threat to what is left.
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 23:22
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Doesn't sound like a happy ending for eastern
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 07:02
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Eastern is still running 15 years later. And the word from the guys who have escaped recently is that the place is exactly the same.


Change the management and things will change.

You can't blame the ops staff for an airline's failing overall. They do what they are told by those above and it is those above that need to go.

Alas, until Eastern folds, they won't be going anywhere.

Just my opinion.....
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 10:57
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I was reading somewhere last week that there is another ATR 72-600 coming to eastern airways and will be operating from February 2018. Any ideas where it will be operating out of.
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 11:00
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all correct BUT;
oil revenues are massively down. EA used to get circa £2m a month from the SCS contract irrelevant if flights done. Now its per pax. RL had a captive audience with pilots as there were no jobs but its different now.
the commercial department think of passengers as dog food and are so incompetent they dont realise its their money it needs to survive.
I too were a doomsayer and am surprised they lasted this long.
I do believe with all this and the recent financial losses that the perfect storm is brewing
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 14:33
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Airports such as Norwich are still promoting Eastern. The sad facts of life suggest with high fares and low passenger numbers their routes are doomed.Norwich depends on Eastern,Loganair,Flybe and KLM supported by oil industry traffic and expensive tickets.

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Old 17th Dec 2017, 15:23
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Tbh though Norwich passengers numbers have increased on most routes looking at all the stats except Aberdeen which continues to decline, which tells you everything
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 15:31
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I see you live in Diss Nick as I did some years ago when I would use Norwich.

However the airport is a an expensive 3rd world nightmare for those of us who fly long distance. Just google it or look at Skytrax.

It might work with a decent low cost operator but KLM are too expensive. Loganair and Eastern are also geared to the oil industry traffic. Eastern and Flybe are not in the same league as Ezy and Ryanair.

The whole pack of cards will tumble soon.

I have just flown 3 hours 40 minutes Bangkok to Hong Kong on an Air Asia Airbus for £55 and returned Macau to Bangkok with Air Asia for £60. Cost of living in Hong Kong is more expensive than the UK.

Those numbers make a mockery of airports such as Norwich and small airlines such as Eastern with 26 seat aircraft.

The one hour flight from Norwich to Amsterdam is around £150 with KLM.

Norwich to Aberdeen is £75- £100.

Plus of course the 'departure tax' of £10.00 for little more than a shed full of surly staff.

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