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Old 13th Apr 2020, 09:50
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Headline in the Telegraph shoes what a lucky escape the taxpayer had with the canning of runway 3.

These clowns wanted billions in taxpayer subsidies to prop up the supporting road and rall infrastructure but are happy to give away millions in dividends to foriegn shareholders.

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Old 13th Apr 2020, 09:51
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Headline in the Telegraph shoes what a lucky escape the taxpayer had with the canning of runway 3.

These clowns wanted billions in taxpayer subsidies to prop up the supporting road and rall infrastructure but are happy to give away millions in dividends to foriegn shareholders.

link below. .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...tion-industry/
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Old 13th Apr 2020, 19:11
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The Board have not quite got the hang of the words 'Unprecedented times in the life of aviation'. Other companies have backed off from paying dividends. As I have said in other threads, these (so-called) managers are using their standard playbook. The only problem being that is a 20th Century playbook ...

As many of us have said, R3 is toast. I had never imagined that this would be the reason for it not happening but it was clear that it was not going to get built.
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Old 13th Apr 2020, 21:07
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As many of us have said, R3 is toast. I had never imagined that this would be the reason for it not happening but it was clear that it was not going to get built.
I wouldn't be so sure. With a recession on the way the government may look at big infrastructure projects like that to try and stimulate the economy.
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Old 13th Apr 2020, 22:34
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If UK is officially under lockdown, why the hell are there so many flights still arriving/departing out of Heathrow? Surely, this cannot be helping in containing the virus? Your thoughts?
LHR still handling approx 150 flights daily at the moment which represents about 25% of flights into/out of the UK currently. Plenty of pax arriving/departing, however cargo is at the forefront and seats can be loaded with packages as well as pax, but the real value is what those aircraft have in the holds.
Lots of flights still operating between UK islands/mainland as well as these are considered to be strategically critical routes for the movement of pax and goods. Flights still operating into/out of LGW, MAN, EMA, STN, LTN, SOU, FAB, BQH, EDI, GLA, DSA, BHX,NQY, PIK to name a few.

Pax arriving are expected to quarantine themselves for 14 days regardless of having symptoms or not, whilst maintaining social distancing once disembarked. Some Pax are tested on departure from their departure point, none are tested upon arrival, but if they follow regulations it restricts further spread. You have to rely on people being accountable for themselves to protect others. Testing on arrival would do little to change anything due CV19 taking 5 days to incubate.

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Old 13th Apr 2020, 22:41
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R3 is NOT toast, it will still happen, albeit with a much delayed schedule. The future economy will need it even more so now.

Those who thought it wouldn't happen even before CV19 appeared were and still are very mistaken.

It's a battle won for the 'Greens' ..........................for now!
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 07:59
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Originally Posted by EXEL1966 View Post
R3 is NOT toast, it will still happen, albeit with a much delayed schedule. The future economy will need it even more so now.

Those who thought it wouldn't happen even before CV19 appeared were and still are very mistaken. It's a battle won for the 'Greens' ..........................for now!
The country is taking on gazillions in more debt - this will last for years (and don't forget that there will be a lot more money long term for things like the NHS as well). Any Govt will be looking to cut other expenditures - HS2 and R3 are obvious targets. R3 especially as it will be several years before we get anywhere near 2019 passenger numbers and movements. If the Govt don't stop it the anti-s will go back to the courts on the basis that everything has changed and all the old traffic forecasts are now total rubbish (which is correct).

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Old 14th Apr 2020, 09:02
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
The country is taking on gazillions in more debt - this will last for years (and don't forget that there will be a lot more money long term for things like the NHS as well). Any Govt will be looking to cut other expenditures - HS2 and R3 are obvious targets. R3 especially as it will be several years before we get anywhere near 2019 passenger numbers and movements. If the Govt don't stop it the anti-s will go back to the courts on the basis that everything has changed and all the old traffic forecasts are now total rubbish (which is correct).
It won't be necessarily about expenditure. Those types of projects the costs can be spread over decades especially if they issue bonds to pay for them. The government may well view R3 and HS2 as big enough infrastructure projects to go ahead to help stimulate the economic growth so I wouldn't write either off from happening.
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Old 15th Apr 2020, 20:16
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...overnment-says
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South African Airways

Who owns the slot SAA use for the daily flight to/from Johannesburg ? SAA or is it leased ? Presumably the receiver has several months to sell the slots before they go back in the pot for random redistribution
Any thoughts on likely bidders ?
Is this the first LHR slot sale since the collapse in flying demand ?
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 17:01
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Originally Posted by EXEL1966 View Post
R3 is NOT toast, it will still happen, albeit with a much delayed schedule. The future economy will need it even more so now.

Those who thought it wouldn't happen even before CV19 appeared were and still are very mistaken.

It's a battle won for the 'Greens' ..........................for now!
This is not another standard recession - this is going to be the Second Great Depression. We have at least a full decade, possibly longer, of low growth. The time for R3 was last century.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 11:13
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Heathrow will be full again ASAP, just at the expense of the other London airports. The London market will be badly down overall but I suspect many will try LHR.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 12:29
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Heathrow will be full again ASAP, just at the expense of the other London airports. The London market will be badly down overall but I suspect many will try LHR.
I suspect you are correct.

Though that prompts the question of whether the Government will continue to support LHR expansion, given the prospect of both LGW and STN operating at way under capacity for the foreseeable future.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 14:06
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I suspect you are correct.

Though that prompts the question of whether the Government will continue to support LHR expansion, given the prospect of both LGW and STN operating at way under capacity for the foreseeable future.
I don't think the Govt will fancy spending billions on the R3 expansion project and its associated works...............
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 20:05
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Yes, LHR will always have the traffic and Yes the 3rd would be nice but, irrespective of the Green issue, no gov wanted to fight to spend money on LHR. It was an easy battle to give away. Having privatised the airports, it would be highly problematic to feed more money into them given the new Depression.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 20:08
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I don't think the Govt will fancy spending billions on the R3 expansion project and its associated works...............
It wasn't going to anyway....privately funded I thought?
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 08:06
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It wasn't going to anyway....privately funded I thought?
ah but that didn't include the cash to re-route the M25 and M-4 etc etc - that was going to be a Govt cost - as was the new railway line and mitigation of increased noise and pollution
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 20:54
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What will be the effect of the BA news this evening on Heathrow’s future business plan?
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 21:06
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What will be the effect of the BA news this evening on Heathrow’s future business plan?
I suspect like every other airport this will take years to recover. Single runway operation for years.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 23:15
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Single runway operation for years.
Whatever made you think that? Genuinely? There speaks a man willing a business to fail for reasons beyond me. Any comeback into 2021 will see any airline that can get LHR slots going for it. The overall London market may fall, but in any competitive environment airlines will seek a competitive advantage, which will mean dropping STN and LGW for LHR if they can. That won’t change. LHR was declared full in 1977, perhaps 1976 levels of movements will be the new norm, perhaps not.

These clowns wanted billions in taxpayer subsidies to prop up the supporting road and rall infrastructure but are happy to give away millions in dividends to foriegn shareholders
You don’t actually understand how shareholding works, do you? Dividends are expected in the running of a profitable business, otherwise no one would buy shares. No shares, no magic money tree for pension funds.....but yeah, nasty foreigners ripping us all off. How dare they?

It’s not Heathrow that concerns me, more so Gatwick long haul will take an enormous hit. Cathay won’t be back, Norwegian will be gone and BA will consolidate to LHR. I would bet China Airlines will either leave or finally get another LHR slot in the collapse in the next few years. Air China and China Eastern will also snatch any open slot at LHR to leave Gatwick. Heathrow will see profits fall but traffic will rebound very quickly, one suspects with a larger domestic network than in recent years as people stay home. But Gatwick is, IMHO, screwed.

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