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Old 19th Jun 2019, 17:45
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If I operated any of the car parks currently along the North side of the Northern runway - I'd be worred as they have all been replaced by warehouse structures. So how much space will be needed for new car parks?
Do not worry, they are providing more cycle lanes, and of course this is not the final plan. More car parks in top left corner, sort of parkway where they charge you to drop off and also go to the terminal(s) but it will be in the ULEZ so a further charge as well.
Now I see Druk has answered
Tunnels to access all terminals but it is in a flood plain so bring your wet suit.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 17:47
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Nice new ATC tower, not seen that before
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 10:22
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Nice new ATC tower, not seen that before
It's part of the plan to remove the need to build a secondary control tower to deal with the new runway. NATS are using LCY as the proof of concept digital tower as ATC is moving to Swanwick and the Tower is being demolished to make way for more shops. No, *REALLY*.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 12:54
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
It's part of the plan to remove the need to build a secondary control tower to deal with the new runway.
But a secondary control tower is exactly what it does appear to be:

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 15:03
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But a secondary control tower is exactly what it does appear to be:
Yes, and as part of cost control pressure from HAL, NATS are working hard to prevent a full build out and are looking closely at the digital option of using the existing tower with technology. Singapore Changi is doing something similar, Dublin's new ATC Tower may be one of the last to go up.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 18:46
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"Yes, and as part of cost control pressure from HAL, NATS are working hard to prevent a full build out "

So HAL - a private company - tell NATS a private company (less a golden share owned by HMG) go save us some money and put the tower there, as it will be in the way of our profitable shopping terminal. Please enlighten us, will the redundant tower be sold off & moved, or used as a unique roof top restaurant.
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Garuda Jakarta apparently back on sale...
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 09:57
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Originally Posted by Trinity 09L View Post
"Yes, and as part of cost control pressure from HAL, NATS are working hard to prevent a full build out "

So HAL - a private company - tell NATS a private company (less a golden share owned by HMG) go save us some money and put the tower there, as it will be in the way of our profitable shopping terminal. Please enlighten us, will the redundant tower be sold off & moved, or used as a unique roof top restaurant.
No.
At LCY the old tower is no longer fit for purpose and as part of the terminal rebuild a new terminal is required.
NATS is not competitive on costs partly due to their “business” model of also being the en-route provider. NATS have lost ATC provision at LGW, BHX, EDI of late, all major contracts. Hence they’re leveraging their lead in technology to build out a digital option at LCY to save them even building a new tower. Also less likely to lose ATC contract at LCY if this can be done.

This proof of concept then allows a case to be made at LHR to use a new digital tower based in the main ATC tower, to run runway 3, removing the cost of a multi million pound new tower build and fitting out. That’s my understanding, if you know something that differs then please share.

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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 14:08
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
perhaps reading comprehension just isnít your forte?
Always the last dig. Why not just play nice...
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 15:22
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post

Always the last dig. Why not just play nice...
Fair point, no need, deleted and withdrawn.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 09:27
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Is there anywhere within Terminal 2 or inside the perimeter of the airport that I can see aircraft land? Iím collecting a friend from T2 later this morning and was hoping to see her flight land prior to going to the arrivals area?
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 09:38
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27L arrivals this morning so go to Myrtle Avenue or areas in that vicinity. You will get a cracking view!
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 09:50
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27L arrivals this morning so go to Myrtle Avenue or areas in that vicinity. You will get a cracking view!
Many thanks for your response. Do you know how long it will take me to get back into T2 arrivals from there? Iím on foot btw
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 09:57
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If you are on foot then it is even easier. From T2, follow signs for London underground and get on the Piccadilly line towards London. Get off at Hatton Cross, leave the station and you will be pretty much underneath the arrivals stream for 27L. Takes no more than 10mins and I think it is still within the free travel area - may be best to speak to a member of staff to see if you can leave the station as it may be only an interchange area. If not, will cost you a few £s for a return.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 10:10
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Originally Posted by destinationsky View Post
If you are on foot then it is even easier. From T2, follow signs for London underground and get on the Piccadilly line towards London. Get off at Hatton Cross, leave the station and you will be pretty much underneath the arrivals stream for 27L. Takes no more than 10mins and I think it is still within the free travel area - may be best to speak to a member of staff to see if you can leave the station as it may be only an interchange area. If not, will cost you a few £s for a return.
It is in the free travel area if you get the bus but the underground to Hatton Cross is chargable.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 10:37
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Thanks for the valuable info both 👌 Iíll give it a try 👍
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 17:18
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Interesting item in Private Eye confirming the gaping hole in terms of finance for the rail infastruture to support expansion. Interesting that this is costed at a whopping £15bn.

Unfortunately PE omitted to mention the restructuring of the M25, it's still not clear whose stumping up for that but I would suggest we are looking at another £5bn minimum.

Looks like regional transport will be dining on bread and water for two generations minimum.

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Old 9th Jul 2019, 18:17
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Don't worry about this cost - R3 will never be built.
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Old 9th Jul 2019, 23:03
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"Don't worry about this cost - R3 will never be built:

..I'm not doing
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 08:33
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Unite, representing over 4,000 HAL staff, is planning a series of two-day strikes over busy July/August weekends.

Summer travel chaos looms after Heathrow workers announce strike dates in pay dispute
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