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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 14:50
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You do realise that when you use words like 'Chronaphobes' (sic) it makes the rest of us think you're a bit stupid.

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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 16:38
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
The96er

You do realise that when you use words like 'Chronaphobes' (sic) it makes the rest of us think you're a bit stupid.
You're opinion, I'm more of a realist - but to reiterate once more for the obviously more intelligent people such as yourself - If you're scared - STAY HOME !
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 16:41
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Originally Posted by The96er View Post
This notion that people are not traveling because they 'Don't feel safe' is a view that only exist with a minority of opinions, although you wouldn't think it on this forum due to the dominance of Chronaphobes. People are not traveling mainly due to extreme travel restriction placed upon them or due to being encouraged to work from home. MOST people are accepting of the risks of life and are happy to take them - if allowed.

In essence, if YOU feel unsafe, then it should be YOU who should choose to stay at home and don't seek to blame others for your own percieved feelings of being unsafe.
Sorry you're missing the point..i am happy to take the risk to travel and I take the necessary precautions to do so, I also expect modes of transport and establishments, such as airports to do their best too, and on this occasion Manchester Terminal 1 was not very good. There are certainly many people who are not travelling because they don't feel safe right now.
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 15:48
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Pretty sure driving traffic to your own social media site is a no-no mate. You're better off posting the link to the commercial announcement?
And that pic is G-LMRA, an ATR42 not a 72.

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Old 24th Sep 2020, 19:19
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
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You do realise that when you use words like 'Chronaphobes' (sic) it makes the rest of us think you're a bit stupid.
Turin - breathtaking arrogance to think that your view co-incides with everyone else's. Unbelievable.
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Old 25th Sep 2020, 11:03
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I don't understand the logic of using the first 2 or 3 search areas in T3 security thereby concentrating what few pax they do have into a small area. If the furthest search areas were used- you could utilise more ":straight" queues without the need to snake pax & distancing would be easier.
My latest trips (MAN-SOU) one of the bags wasn't loaded. On the SOU-MAN return the pre ordered wheelchair for one pax was not there on arrival. The other pax were escorted to the the gate to enter T3, the agent unable to gain terminal access, we were walked to another gate- same again, we were walked to a third gate before we got access to the Terminal. None of the above are hardly any critical errors, however, it does look like even with a loss of 90% of passengers/services MAN still manages to portray a comedic way of running an airport.
Given the responses defending anything & everything that MAN does, should I as an apparent designated snowflake, cancel my MAN-EXT next week or continue to support the airport by actually using it?
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Old 26th Sep 2020, 15:09
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Flying to Exeter,just jump in the car and drive.
By the time you've traveled to the airport,endured security and all the relevant current restrictions,subjected yourself to a lack of social distancing on the aircraft,it's a no brainer.
Domestic air travel,especially short routes,make no sense during the current pandemic.
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Old 26th Sep 2020, 17:16
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You're perfectly at liberty to drive down to Exeter if that is your preference. But to project the blame for your personal phobia onto airlines which are doing their utmost to provide a safe travel experience is irresponsible and uncalled for. I have completed four flights over recent weeks. They were absolutely fine and I haven't died yet. I have six more bookings outstanding (including MAN-EXT-MAN with BlueIslands) and look forward to using them, provided that they're able to operate as planned. I have not felt unsafe at any time transiting the airports on my own recent journeys - MAN 4, BFS 2, AGP 2. Not the most exotic list, but I have had around 40 other flights cancelled this Summer!

It is also wrong to presume that everyone has the option to just jump in a car anyway. Many travellers need to use public transport. You're going to encounter strangers on trains and coaches too - though those companies are also doing their utmost to provide a safe travel environment.

If you're scared or know yourself to be especially vulnerable, by all means stay home. Nobody minds. But stop chucking hand grenades from your comfy armchair at aviation professionals who are bending over backwards to ensure a safe and efficient journey for their customers amidst the most challenging crisis the industry has ever encountered.

I do despair of this site at times. Useful posts advising very scarce items of good news (new scheduled services) are deleted, leaving behind just a hardcore of grumpy old codgers bitching about all those airline and airport staff who are slogging their guts out to provide us with safe travel in these tough times. Well, the bitching codgers can cower away as much as they like as far as I'm concerned - it is a personal choice.

But would it hurt you to spare a little positive sentiment and recognition for those dedicated airline / airport staff who are trying to earn a crust, support our fine industry, and ensure a fit-for-purpose sector once this accursed crisis has passed?
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Old 26th Sep 2020, 21:57
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Having passed through 5 European airports and Manchester in the past few days, Manchester T3 border entry is by far the biggest shambles. The space is just too small to handle the current reduced number of flights landing and respecting space. Coupled with the airport staff asking people in the queue to remove their masks in preparation for the eGates is just ridiculous.
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Old 26th Sep 2020, 22:15
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I passed through T3 arrivals last Saturday. No issues at all. And egates can't do their thing if the subject is wearing a muzzle. They're all about facial recognition. But most travellers don't know how they work, so it makes perfect sense for a staff member to explain the process to avoid rejections and hold-ups which lead to increased congestion.
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Old 28th Sep 2020, 15:06
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Luxair- gone for 2021
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Old 28th Sep 2020, 16:51
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I'm sure it will not be the last service to "bite the dust" - hopefully it will be back on 2022.
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Old 28th Sep 2020, 18:05
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There are certainly many people who are not travelling because they don't feel safe right now.
That very possibly; but I think a larger factor is the idea of wearing a face mask for what will amount, even on a flight of two hours, somewhere around 4-5 hours by the time you've checked in gone through security and then been processed through your destination airport. Personally, I wouldn't suffer that for the sake of 2 weeks in the sun. I perfectly well accept that many may think it's a small price to pay.
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Old 28th Sep 2020, 21:43
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There are a number of reasons why people aren't booking air travel, and fear of catching C-19 itself isn't the lone concern. Other considerations include:

- Inability to accept quarantine terms either in overseas destination, or upon return to the UK, or both.
- FCO advisories against all but essential travel means insurance cover invalid.
- Fear of sudden changes to travel rules - which do happen with alarming frequency.
- Fear of fines for misunderstanding diverse C-19 regulations in overseas destinations.
- Fear of soaring additional costs as some countries suddenly demand C-19 test certificates for all arriving pax: 4 x £150 bill recently for a family I know of (Cyprus, IIRC).
- Concern that journey experience will be deeply unpleasant; muzzle requirements etc.
- Fear that the "holiday" will be an ordeal rather than a pleasure: permanent bemuzzlement in public spaces; closed attractions / restaurants / bars / excursions; no chance to meet new friends due social distancing and muzzles.
- Concern that overseas expenses such as car hire and accommodation will be forfeit if airline cancels flights but cars / hotels still available. My sister's family have lost hundreds on this.
- Concern that a minor ailment such as a routine runny nose could result in being declined boarding for the homeward flight.
- Concern that cancelled travel arrangements will result in another tedious months-long paperchase to secure future travel vouchers, or even ... GASP! ... a full refund.
- Realisation that advance booking brings few advantages to the customer right now. Last minute bookings come with higher confidence / flexibility, and late prices aren't exactly soaring.
- No reliable guidance anywhere as to how long this chaos may persist.

Basically, why would you book any travel for dates well in the future at this point? It's tough on the airlines, but this is why they need to prioritise conserving cash this Winter. And, of course, those carriers which have sat on refunds for months and given their customers the runaround (eg. Air Europa), or which have stitched up early bookers to quarantined destinations whilst allowing late bookers free date changes (eg. Ryanair, June 10th cut-off), have to accept a good degree of the blame for the mistrust which they have now sewn amongst travellers. Other travel organisers such as lastminute.com are at fault too, rendering themselves virtually impossible to contact and sitting on customer funds without end in sight (see Trustpilot on these if you fancy a good laugh). A buyers' strike becomes inevitable when some high-profile companies haven't played fair with their customers. But hopefully customers will remember the operators which have treated them well. I know I will.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 06:50
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MAN-NQY

Some good news..🙂

Eastern Airways 4 flights/ week (Thur/Fri/Sun/Mon) to Newquay from 21st Oct. Loganair to start daily from next summer.
"Loganair & Eastern announce Manchester to Newquay flights" https://ukaviation.news/loganair-eas...y-flights/amp/
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 16:32
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn View Post
There are a number of reasons why people aren't booking air travel, and fear of catching C-19 itself isn't the lone concern. Other considerations include:

- Inability to accept quarantine terms either in overseas destination, or upon return to the UK, or both.
- FCO advisories against all but essential travel means insurance cover invalid.
- Fear of sudden changes to travel rules - which do happen with alarming frequency.
- Fear of fines for misunderstanding diverse C-19 regulations in overseas destinations.
- Fear of soaring additional costs as some countries suddenly demand C-19 test certificates for all arriving pax: 4 x £150 bill recently for a family I know of (Cyprus, IIRC).
- Concern that journey experience will be deeply unpleasant; muzzle requirements etc.
- Fear that the "holiday" will be an ordeal rather than a pleasure: permanent bemuzzlement in public spaces; closed attractions / restaurants / bars / excursions; no chance to meet new friends due social distancing and muzzles.
- Concern that overseas expenses such as car hire and accommodation will be forfeit if airline cancels flights but cars / hotels still available. My sister's family have lost hundreds on this.
- Concern that a minor ailment such as a routine runny nose could result in being declined boarding for the homeward flight.
- Concern that cancelled travel arrangements will result in another tedious months-long paperchase to secure future travel vouchers, or even ... GASP! ... a full refund.
- Realisation that advance booking brings few advantages to the customer right now. Last minute bookings come with higher confidence / flexibility, and late prices aren't exactly soaring.
- No reliable guidance anywhere as to how long this chaos may persist.

Basically, why would you book any travel for dates well in the future at this point? It's tough on the airlines, but this is why they need to prioritise conserving cash this Winter. And, of course, those carriers which have sat on refunds for months and given their customers the runaround (eg. Air Europa), or which have stitched up early bookers to quarantined destinations whilst allowing late bookers free date changes (eg. Ryanair, June 10th cut-off), have to accept a good degree of the blame for the mistrust which they have now sewn amongst travellers. Other travel organisers such as lastminute.com are at fault too, rendering themselves virtually impossible to contact and sitting on customer funds without end in sight (see Trustpilot on these if you fancy a good laugh). A buyers' strike becomes inevitable when some high-profile companies haven't played fair with their customers. But hopefully customers will remember the operators which have treated them well. I know I will.
This.

Youíve summed up all the reasons why Iím not currently booking any trips abroad. It goes against my urges and desire to travel, however at this time the moving goalposts and not knowing what things will be like at the destination makes the idea of travelling anywhere besides domestically a non-starter at this time. I also remember what itís like to travel pre-COVID.

I know this isnít music to the ears of airlines and travel companies and if people want to do so itís their prerogative, but the current climate isnít making me and many others want to book with confidence.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 17:49
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There are a number of reasons why people aren't booking air travel, and fear of catching C-19 itself isn't the lone concern.
Sadly, the constant chopping and changing of travel advice alone is enough to explain the adverse affect on forward bookings.

There is still a strong underlying demand for international travel no doubt. The increase in last-minute getaways this summer and strong bookings reported by some carriers for 2021, in the hope of an improved outlook, only explains that too well. But frankly, very few can book with confidence whilst this short-notice, illogical and fragmented government approach to travel restrictions continues.

Let's hope that these can be rationalised to give an appropriate level of responce, so those who very much still want or need to travel, can do so in a safe manner and create a self financing recovery to protect the livlihoods of so many hard working professionals, rather than government payouts.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 15:57
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MAG Stats September 2020

September Pax

Stansted = 663,890 down 74.6%

Manchester = 630,943 down 78.6%

East Midlands = 104,544 down 81.0%

September Cargo

East Midlands = 40,645 up 31.5%

Stansted = 24,175 up 22.4%

Manchester = 3,677 down 59.1%

Pax 12m ending 30.09.20

Stansted = 13,156,636 down 53.5%

Manchester = 12,514,809 down 57.5%

East Midlands = 1,642,009 down 65.8%
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 16:02
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Originally Posted by FFMAN View Post
Turin - breathtaking arrogance to think that your view co-incides with everyone else's. Unbelievable.
Google Chronophobe.

Do you feel stupid now too?
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 08:43
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Good to see Emirates planning to operate twice daily again to Manchester in 2021 with A380 and 777

Looks like Stansted, Newcastle , Glasgow are fairing well too.

Only cuts seem to be at Birmingham.



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