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Old 15th Nov 2017, 07:59
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Regarding who should move to T2, it's already been discussed...
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...ml#post9911728

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Old 15th Nov 2017, 09:03
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Not that cryptic I suspect (at least to long term readers of the Manchester threads on here)!
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 09:11
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Perfect time for United to step onto MAN-ORD?
Isn't this the same United that dropped the 777 on EWR, dropped the second daily B757 and then dropped Washington? Not sure they've got the traction in market at the mo.

Speaking to people in the know it's not just AA who are trying to kill the ORD route
Galley FM also had BA picking JFK up with 10 abreast B777s! Also BA were selling connections LHR-MAN-ORD. It's more of a different market now, remember just how much of the US legacy traffic was one stop to the House of Mouse and how many better options that has nowadays. Lot's more options on P2P too.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 09:20
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An intermittent 757 service must have also killed the ORD cargo market. Remember the days of full F/J/Y flights with full cargo belly on the 767. Complacency doesn't even cover it.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 09:37
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Not that cryptic I suspect (at least to long term readers of the Manchester threads on here)!
I would class myself as a long term reader, and have no idea whether it refers to Norwegian, United, BA, Level, TCX, Virgin or any combination of the above!

It should certainly give cause for either a new entrant at ORD, or additional capacity elsewhere.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 11:17
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AA pulling back further must make it more likely for BA to return to long-haul at MAN.

Willie Walsh said at the IAG Capital Markets Day that BA could return to the regions with the A321LR.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 11:26
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Originally Posted by Dobbo_Dobbo View Post
I would class myself as a long term reader, and have no idea whether it refers to Norwegian, United, BA, Level, TCX, Virgin or any combination of the above!

It should certainly give cause for either a new entrant at ORD, or additional capacity elsewhere.
Any BA partner that has pulled out over the years, such as Qantas or Cathay has always been suspected of caving to BA pressure to protect fortress Heathrow. However in this instance the 321LR comment is interesting.....
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 11:41
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I don't think there is much chance BA have 'meddled' this time. The regions can provide relief for Heathrow and the JV means they get the same amounts whether a pax travels via LHR on BA or direct to ORD on AA.

I think this is purely down to more P2P being available from MAN and thus the legacy hubs were bound to feel the pinch.

As for UA to EWR, some interesting seat plans showing up in one GDS starting 23rd May, so looks like they could be ones to benefit from AA pulling JFK.....
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 11:43
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In other news:

Turkish Airlines to use B77W on the TK1995/1996 16th December.

Fair amount of A330 usage in December and January too.

A tower crane has appeared at the T2 site, pretty tall too!
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 12:28
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Originally Posted by nguba View Post
Willie Walsh said at the IAG Capital Markets Day that BA could return to the regions with the A321LR.
I've not seen that comment. However, Alex Cruz was less committal in his WTF interview. He didn't shut it down, confirmed they were looking at opportunities but that there was nothing imminent to report.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 13:58
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Originally Posted by nguba View Post
AA pulling back further must make it more likely for BA to return to long-haul at MAN.
That doesn't make any sense at all. Why would BA/AA/OneWorld trash their reputation at MAN (which thy have done) in preparation for a switch to BA equipment? Not going to happen.

Far more likely that BA/OW are trying to get the route trashed further so that it gets pulled and they can get the Cardholders down to LHR or across to DUB.

Reliability is critical to regular travelers' choice of airline or route. AA have just become totally unreliable. Is any serious flyer going to take the risk of a missed connection or a missed meeting? In my mind thinking about AA, it's a probability more than just a risk.

As someone who flies the Atlantic regularly and has done since the early 90s, AA have thrown away the advantage they enjoyed through their own complacency.

I use the front end of TCX when available - it's a decent product at a fair price and they have in JetBlue a partner / hubbing option that is very very good by UK standards.
I can tell you they are picking up a fair bit of business traffic and connections with B6 as well.
As in any business if you get complacent, someone else will come in and take the business from you - AA only have themselves to blame - but no doubt they will blame the market. Not their fault naturally.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 14:33
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What I meant was I don’t think BA would happy to have virtually no Oneworld transatlantic presence at MAN.

There’s a fairly decent Executive Club base in MAN which I think BA would want to leverage with the right equipment & cost base, which wasn’t the case 10 years ago.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 15:58
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As someone who flies the Atlantic regularly and has done since the early 90s, AA have thrown away the advantage they enjoyed through their own complacency.
Not quite, their business model fundamentally changed. They killed the Pan Am / TWA model of feeding B747s at JFK to Europe by flying B767s from ORD/DFW/MIA directly and more often and in newer equipment. They had an enormous European presence which has since been downsized massively. The current business model, and one which does remarkably well for them is to code share on BA out of LHR both East and West. Hence MAN retains the ex US PHL route but ORD was left to wither on the vine.
As for UA to EWR, some interesting seat plans showing up in one GDS starting 23rd May, so looks like they could be ones to benefit from AA pulling JFK.....
So 789 or 772 then? Tell us, you know you want to......
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 16:10
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Rumors for Manchester-Palermo by Ryanair, starting summer 2018
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 21:07
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo View Post
The current business model, and one which does remarkably well for them is to code share on BA out of LHR both East and West.
Doesn't that just confirm the suspicions that many have of 'other forces' at work here regarding AA?
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 21:23
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Golly yes, it’s all BA’s fault as they hate MAN and are pulling strings at AA.
EVERYTHING is BA’s fault.
Especially the rain.
Grrrrr BA.
Now be honest, what’s the quid pro quo AA would get out of BA for dropping a previously good route? I honestly believe one should not attribute to conspiracy where incompetence is more likely.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 22:02
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Fair enough. Conspiracy aside (which I don't really care about) I prefer to make my decisions on the risks of missing a connection or a meeting. On that basis I stopped flying with AA around 3 years ago.
BTW when were you last on a TATL flight from Manchester? All this stuff about 'one-stop flights to the house of mouse' is pretty patronizing, slightly offensive and wide of the mark. I last flew Stateside yesterday on a near full A330 with no-sign of any potential mouse hunters.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 22:14
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Just a little word for the airport staff...as a regular user of Gatwick (fairly friendly) and Heathrow (anything but friendly), I have to say, the folk at MAN seem to be a cheery and helpful bunch. Passed through tonight, and they were a pleasure to deal with.

T3 is, however, a dogs dinner!
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 22:17
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House of mouse !
Florida or LA ?

My local airport is Stansted, it might be construed as catering for the holidaymaker and one might possibly throw Gatwick into the mix but take away pure business traffic from both airports and there is only airport which by a countrymile meets the needs of the leisure industry and that's Heathrow.

It might be dressed up as a business hub but if you want to holiday in Dubai, Bangkok, The Seychelles, Maldives, South Africa, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Australia, New Zealand etc, etc, etc there is only one show in town!
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 22:30
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Why is the fact that Orlando was once the biggest single onwards connection on the US legacies patronising? It made them a lot of money. Please don’t go out of your way to take offence.
Also, quizzing the 300 passengers on an A330 is a little unusual. Was the IFE broken? I just take a book.

If you were on TCX as you said earlier, then the majority for Disney would be on the MAN-MCO flight surely, the point here is TCX offer a better P2P option and hence take away the need to connect on a US carrier.
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