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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 22:20
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they should move to PIK! perhaps one day the non-pax future aviation 'hub'
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 23:23
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CabinCrewe, I would love to see Prestwick utilised for this kind of stuff, crew-traning, freight, maintenace etc. It has a good road conection to Glasgow and The Midland Valley, and relatively good Wx too.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 13:14
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Yes, FFMAN, I remember the extension to the lounge and the ops tower being built. Probably around 1984. I was confused by the photo in Scottie Dogís T2 update. I was trying to figure out what part of T2 the photo was showing, and thought that it looked awfully small for a lounge. When he explained it was the recommissioning of the old ops tower, it made perfect sense.

I think that there was a proposal a few years ago to reopen the ops tower as a restaurant. Or was that the old control tower?

Not having been to MAN for years, is the old fish tank still on pier B? If so, I guess itís disused?
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 19:53
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Originally Posted by Manchester Exile
Not having been to MAN for years, is the old fish tank still on pier B? If so, I guess itís disused?
The 'Fishtank' is still there, alas it can no longer be used as it does not meet the latest fires/safety escape criteria. A shame really as it would make a great Handling agent Operations office.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 08:20
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Where and what is the “fishtank”?
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 09:40
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Old ground movement tower at the top of pier B

Old tower in red circle
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 11:59
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Good post Rutan16 but, if I may be pedantic, it was actually more the operations room for stand allocation rather than Ground Movement as we know it today. I'm happy to be corrected.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 16:27
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I have a question for those who have inside knowledge of the T2 rebuild.
I've already used the new Pier 1 and got a sense of the scale of the new construction - the extension itself seems bigger than a good number of entire airport terminals around the UK. Someone told me that the finished T2 will be 150% bigger than it was previously.
What is not obvious to me is how the existing security screening area will accomodate the vastly increased passenger flows. It struggles now at times and the closed in area is seemingly unable to take any further expansion.
The question therefore is: what will the screening capacity be and where will it be located? I honestly can't imagine the current area being able to cope beyond the short-term.
As a supplementary question - will T2 be the first terminal to get the new 3D scanners that will remove the need for the laptops and liquids fiasco?
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 18:39
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Hi FFMAN, i’m not really in the know but from what I do know and from other comments on various forums, the new security area in T2X will open next summer, along with the extension and bussing lounge Pier 2 phase 1, whilst the existing T2 closes for refurbishment, so the current T2 security area will not get any busier than it does today...unless i’m missing something?! I’m sure the new security area will be much bigger than the current setup. And eventually there will be one massive check in hall with 2 large security areas behind the hall.

I flew from T2 in may for the first time in about 8 years and was surprised how small it was, even more so with the low ceilings. I thought T2 was initially built for international flights so also imagined a large security area, unless it has been modified since 8 years ago or the original opening in 1993?
Anyway...looking forward to next summer (without wanting to wish my life away)!
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 11:57
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Originally Posted by FFMAN
I have a question for those who have inside knowledge of the T2 rebuild.
I've already used the new Pier 1 and got a sense of the scale of the new construction - the extension itself seems bigger than a good number of entire airport terminals around the UK. Someone told me that the finished T2 will be 150% bigger than it was previously.
What is not obvious to me is how the existing security screening area will accomodate the vastly increased passenger flows. It struggles now at times and the closed in area is seemingly unable to take any further expansion.
The question therefore is: what will the screening capacity be and where will it be located? I honestly can't imagine the current area being able to cope beyond the short-term.
As a supplementary question - will T2 be the first terminal to get the new 3D scanners that will remove the need for the laptops and liquids fiasco?
The new T2X, and the refurbed T2 will have a new security area on Level 2 behind the check-in desks. The plan is for each of these areas to be significantly larger than the current security area which is on level 3. Level 3 will then be given over, in its entirety to shops and restaurants. I cannot speculate on which terminal will get the new 3D scanners first.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 12:26
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Thanks for the responses.
So two separate new security areas both at the check in level 2 - that's re-assuring.
IIRC the original T2 security area was on Level 2 before it had its last major make-over and moved upstairs.
Fingers crossed for those 3D scanners. It would barely make sense to install 2D only to have to retrofit 3D soon afterwards. For anyone that's already used them it's like a breath of fresh air and such a far cry (pun intended) from all the shouting and intimidation that goes on at most airports (not just MAN)
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 14:03
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Originally Posted by FFMAN
Thanks for the responses.
So two separate new security areas both at the check in level 2 - that's re-assuring.
IIRC the original T2 security area was on Level 2 before it had its last major make-over and moved upstairs.
Fingers crossed for those 3D scanners. It would barely make sense to install 2D only to have to retrofit 3D soon afterwards. For anyone that's already used them it's like a breath of fresh air and such a far cry (pun intended) from all the shouting and intimidation that goes on at most airports (not just MAN)
Just a quick clarification on my comment. I don't know if they will be physically separated once behind the wall, e.g. Security A & B in T1 today, or if it will just be two entrances to a much larger security area. The nice thing about the new T2 is that it is being designed with the space requirements of the modern security theatre in mind. No more kludging a solution into the existing space. As for the scanners, I agree that ideally you would not want to install new 2D equipment and then quickly replace it. However, it might not be possible to source sufficient 3D capacity in the 2020-2021 timeframe to only have 3D equipment installed. I would imagine that the airport will try and install as much 3D capacity as possible from day-one, but the whole outfit might not be practical. Of course a mix of 3D and 2D equipment poses operational issues. Not that these would be insurmountable.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 17:00
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If they can't source enough 3D scanners (an issue I guess for most airports) perhaps they can put them in the Fast Lane first and give those of us who grind our way through for our livelihoods a bit of a leg up It would likely boost business travellers if they get them in quick and publicize well.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 17:20
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Originally Posted by FFMAN
If they can't source enough 3D scanners (an issue I guess for most airports) perhaps they can put them in the Fast Lane first and give those of us who grind our way through for our livelihoods a bit of a leg up It would likely boost business travellers if they get them in quick and publicize well.
They'll probably put them is an extra fast lane and charge extra to use it!
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 10:13
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Manchester Statistics - July 2019

Introduction

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.

Tokyo and South Bend were new destinations served in July 2019 - the first I believe to be football related, I'm unsure as to South Bend (Indiana).

Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)

Amsterdam - 1,052,632 passengers

The following domestic statistics are missing from the CAA report for July.

Aberdeen, Glasgow and London City have not reported for this month
In July 2018 these accounted for 28,059 passengers.

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics

Monthly passengers - 3,185,465 +4.32%
Annual Total - 11,187,074 +5.30%
Moving Annual Total - 29,220,467 +4.26%
Monthly Movements - 20,354 +2.25%
Annual Movements - 74,900 +1.95%
Moving Annual Movements - 203,110 +0.90%

Manchester Airport's July statistics



Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers


Top destinations with highest percentage increase.


Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.

Istanbul figures are affected by the start of the Pegasus service to Sabiha Gokcen airport. This new service carried 7,599 passengers in July.

Comparison of top 25 destinations - July 2009 versus July 2019


Major changes to Domestic traffic

CAA statistics for July are provisional.

Load factors analysis on certain routes

Calculations are based of FlightRadar24 for days of flight operation, Planespotter.net for Seat Plans and CAA data for monthly figures.
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 15:28
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I was about to post the MANTP update #105 but, when I looked at the photos, I do believe that not a single one had changed. As a result I'll just record the existence of the update on here and move on to the August photo update (separate from the weekly updates) and which contains items of more interest.

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Old 29th Aug 2019, 15:37
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The placement of the air-con ducting at such a prominant location at the front of the terminal looks like an afterthought. Opting to use panals instead of glass over the entrance doors which breaks up the seemless flow of glass looks cheap, and the bussing lounge - well, the less said about that the better.

The whole development is looking worse by every passing day. Sure, it may be funtional, but boy does it look cheap.
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 18:54
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EY to switch the 2nd daily flight from B789 to B781 eff 21st December. Both flights to be operated by B781.
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This week's MANTP Update #106 is now available courtesy of the MANTP Project Team.

I have omitted a few slides that relate to a lane closure on Palma Avenue as a result of High Voltage work being undertaken by Laing O'Rourke.















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