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Old 16th Aug 2018, 08:25
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I see that Aeroflot have returned to Dublin (daily from W18) with @Airlineroute describing it as a resumption (they served Dublin until May 04).

Anyone recall when they stop serving Manchester?

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Old 16th Aug 2018, 09:55
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Originally Posted by Betablockeruk View Post
I see that Aeroflot have returned to Dublin (daily from W18) with @Airlineroute describing it as a resumption (they served Dublin until May 04).

Anyone recall when they stop serving Manchester?
Around 1997 from memory
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 13:07
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Thomas Cook UK suspends Manchester – Boston in S19

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Old 16th Aug 2018, 13:28
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Dublin has spent 16M Euros on a dedicated transfer hub. Manchester - Boston is their 5th busiest transfer route.

Dublin Airport’s top five transatlantic connecting routes are as follows:
  • Chicago – Heathrow
  • Boston – Heathrow
  • Boston – Paris CDG
  • Amsterdam – New York JFK
  • Boston – Manchester
https://flyinginireland.com/2018/08/...w-coming-soon/

Having recently been through Dublin- what a good experience. Spacious. ample seating. 2 minutes through security. Even the Ryanair gates would rival Atlanta.
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 14:22
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Not unexpected...it does seem as though VS and TCX may have come to an 'arrangement' over their competing on the thinner routes, if you look at recent announcements.
If BOS becomes a more long-term sustainable route at a higher frequency with just one carrier as a result, then so be it.
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 14:50
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Originally Posted by FFMAN View Post
Not unexpected...it does seem as though VS and TCX may have come to an 'arrangement' over their competing on the thinner routes, if you look at recent announcements.
If BOS becomes a more long-term sustainable route at a higher frequency with just one carrier as a result, then so be it.
Really? Someone would end up in jail if that were the case.
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 14:52
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I think this spells the end of Thomas Cook’s expansion of USA services at MAN. They are down to 4 proper scheduled routes plus LAS and MCO. They’ve been unable to make Miami and Boston work. Where else can they go and expect much success? San Diego and Washington perhaps but they’re not going to be runaway successes. Only JFK in winter and LAX on a reduced summer schedule. Pretty depressing considering the high hopes and their early statements of intent. Seems virgin is slightly backtracking with Atlanta reduced to A330 in peak summer.
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 15:51
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Competing with 3 daily from Dublin, 5 or 6 daily from Heathrow and Norwegian to Providence and Hartford from various, was always going to be a tough ask. As with many questions about Manchester the answer will probably be ManTP, if the pre-clearance happens.

Until then a daily VS will do
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 17:31
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At the risk of this sounding like spin, sometimes when there appears to be a setback you have to remember where you were just 2 or 3 years ago. For MAN, that was having no service to the US West Coast or to Boston, let alone Seattle. For Summer 2019 (still not fully finalized) it looks like we'll have 5 per week to Los Angeles (up from 3 per week this year), 3 per week to San Francisco (down from 5), 3 per week to Seattle (up from 2), 3 per week to Boston (down from 4) and an extra flight per week to JFK in peak Summer. That's the changes we know about. Overall I think it is roughly neutral, there's less choice on some routes and more on others. No destinations have been lost from the portfolio. So no need for gloom, just a little realism. Again, look back at where MAN was just 3 years ago.

The two main players to the USA from MAN have taken a look at the market and worked out independently what they can best do. It made no sense having both of them flying thin frequencies to Boston and San Francisco on the same days of the week, which is what we've had thus far. For 2019, MT will have San Francisco to themselves and VS, Boston. They go head to head only on JFK and LAX (of the big city hubs), and those destinations ought to be strong enough for this competition and capacity to be healthy. And sensibly they fly on complementary days to LAX, not on the same day! 2019 may be a consolidation year on the MAN-USA scene, but it re-groups and strengthens for the future as MAN-TP will, from 2020 onwards offer a much-improved connecting hub product with or without a pre-clearance facility..
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 01:01
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Condor had a diversion from Fairbanks a few days ago, ref post 2243, blocked toilet!
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 08:04
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Glad to see you flushed that out
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 14:06
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Originally Posted by Turtle controller View Post
Seems virgin is slightly backtracking with Atlanta reduced to A330 in peak summer.
This may be that the 747 can be used more profitably elsewhere as it is school holidays only plus a week at either side where it is down sized

Looking for a week trip in 6 weeks time and VS want £5.5K to go out either on the Sun/Mon and come back on the Thu/Fri MAN to ATL. Normally my work can get that for around £3k so the route looks popular now - unless there is something on specifically in Atlanta that week. I can get the lower fare if I have 4 hours in Atlanta on the Wednesday only! Appreciate 1 swallow does not make a Summer, but there does appear to be the demand there.
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Old 17th Aug 2018, 14:21
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Originally Posted by Turtle controller View Post
Seems virgin is slightly backtracking with Atlanta reduced to A330 in peak summer.

Your glass must be permanently half empty.
ATL is run by an A330 most of the time. They increase to a 747 for a temporary period then revert to what it was previously.
Only the most negative of observers would portray this as a 'reduction'.

On the pricing point by Nomoresteerage, you will find that it is common for high pricing on trips that 'appear' to be a business trip ie out on a Sunday back on a Friday. That also explains the lower pricing for the Wednesday as it would be useless as a business trip (or any other trip for that matter!)
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 08:07
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Originally Posted by FFMAN View Post
On the pricing point by Nomoresteerage, you will find that it is common for high pricing on trips that 'appear' to be a business trip ie out on a Sunday back on a Friday. That also explains the lower pricing for the Wednesday as it would be useless as a business trip (or any other trip for that matter!)
I understand the pricing - I was there in early out August - out Sunday, back Thursday and it was £2,900 give or take booked 2 weeks in advance - so to want almost double that shows they are doing something right and demand is there. Routing through JFK or MCO it does come down a little - but only to £4.5K, so this far out, it's safe to safe the plane is quite full - and the seat maps appear to confirm that.

Back to the original point, switching to an A330 from a 747 increases UC seats available so not all doom and gloom. I also assume some of the A332s will be coming back online post their re-fit to include PE too so some juggling is to be expected,
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 11:49
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It’s also possible the ex Atlanta 747 will be used on a MAN route. Either one previously using an A330 or perhaps it is the return of the extra peak Summer aircraft MAN used to get?

Is that optimistic enough? ����
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 14:49
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Well it’s official, one of MAN’s longest standing TATL Routes is no more, as AA won’t resume ORD next summer.

shame to loose such a long standing route, but given the managed decline of this route, this was inevitable.
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 15:40
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Shame to lose this route indeed. Hopefully this doesn't mean the end of AA at MAN and they will keep the PHL Service going in the long run.
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 15:41
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Well PHL remains an A330 so would hope that it can be sustained.

in other news, Primera add a 5th weekly Malaga when they start, and Iberia Express will add a 4th weekly Madrid flight next summer.
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 16:34
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UA might look at an ORD route for MAN?
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 17:24
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR View Post
Well itís official, one of MANís longest standing TATL Routes is no more, as AA wonít resume ORD next summer.

shame to loose such a long standing route, but given the managed decline of this route, this was inevitable.
The longest running I think? Iím fairly sure no one else around now was operating Transatlantic in 1986 - charters to Orlando hadnít started at that point.
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