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Old 5th Aug 2018, 09:46
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Whilst the situation with Jet is still fluid I suspect if there is any doubt about the service MAN would prefer the situation to normalise first rather than have a chaotic stop/start service and one that is all to evident at Birmingham.
In other words if they cannot commit to a cohesive service , possibly best to wait until they can.

My timeline is STILL showing numerous references to Birmingham a week after Primera have finally canned them.
Its a steady drip , drip of bad publicity.

Much better not to start at all than have an adhoc on-going weeping wound of puss which immerses the airport in torrid publicity on a weekly basis. (see also STN)
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 10:09
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Originally Posted by Rutan16

routes operated so heavily subsidised by the local/regional governments i

HNA Group is built on these Shells and those routes by Capitol, Tianjin and Hainan to Changsha are stuffed with CAISSA tourists very low yielding and are little more than charters in reality.

To consider the genuine demand just look at Edinburgh numbers again without CAISSA tourists they would be in single figures !


Ooft dont let the EDI posters see that, they'll have a seizure! Be interesting to see HA loads mid winter if thats the case.
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 16:10
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 16:22
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Even more China now added from London

Shanghai 3x weekly from Dec.

China Eastern from December 2018 is expanding service to London, with the addition of Shanghai Pu Dong – London Gatwick service. From 07DEC18, Airbus A330-200 aircraft will operate this route 3 times a week.

MU201 PVG0145 – 0630LGW 332 257
MU202 LGW1150 – 0730+1PVG 332 5
MU202 LGW1200 – 0730+1PVG 332 2
MU202 LGW1210 – 0730+1PVG 332 7


https://www.routesonline.com/news/3...hanghai-london-gatwick-service-from-dec-2018/
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 17:08
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Sorry, but I don't see what that has to do with the MAN thread unless you are claiming it's a route MAN has lost out on. If so, I assume you've posted it on the BHX forum as well as they need a Chinese route.
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 17:22
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Originally Posted by MANFOD
Sorry, but I don't see what that has to do with the MAN thread unless you are claiming it's a route MAN has lost out on. If so, I assume you've posted it on the BHX forum as well as they need a Chinese route.
I completely agree with you in stating that it nonsensical to be posting about informqtion regarding an airline which is commencing a new route from entirely diffferent airport (LGW). Also, LGW is not associated with Manchester in any way as it isn'ta member of MAG...
Additionally, it is operated by Gatwick Airport Limited.
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 17:22
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Any update on TG..... ???
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 17:26
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Originally Posted by MANFOD
Sorry, but I don't see what that has to do with the MAN thread unless you are claiming it's a route MAN has lost out on. If so, I assume you've posted it on the BHX forum as well as they need a Chinese route.
I only posted it becuase it is yet another example of the South East rather than the regions gaining Chinese flights despite the additional slots (UK-China) which were granted for non-London airports

And yes I agree BHX does need a Chinese flight but little hope with all the extra capacity going into SE
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 17:36
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AVP

Total spotter question for you, want to take the kids to the AVP this school holidays and was wondering if anyone knows how much the bus costs from the airport to the AVP. Needs to be the bus that goes to the AVP due to one child not being able to walk long distances otherwise would get the bus to the freight terminal
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 21:52
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Originally Posted by BHX5DME
Even more China now added from London

Shanghai 3x weekly from Dec.

China Eastern from December 2018 is expanding service to London, with the addition of Shanghai Pu Dong – London Gatwick service. From 07DEC18, Airbus A330-200 aircraft will operate this route 3 times a week.

MU201 PVG0145 – 0630LGW 332 257
MU202 LGW1150 – 0730+1PVG 332 5
MU202 LGW1200 – 0730+1PVG 332 2
MU202 LGW1210 – 0730+1PVG 332 7


https://www.routesonline.com/news/3...hanghai-london-gatwick-service-from-dec-2018/
No offence meant BHX5DME but surely this would be better posted on the LGW thread rather than MAN. What is the relevance?
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 22:05
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Originally Posted by DomyDom
No offence meant BHX5DME but surely this would be better posted on the LGW thread rather than MAN. What is the relevance?
See post 2196 posted some while ago for an explanation of the relevance to UK regional airports.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 08:10
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Originally Posted by Suzeman
See post 2196 posted some while ago for an explanation of the relevance to UK regional airports.
I think it would have been helpful if the explanation given in post 2198 had been included in the original post, which could have been interpreted as a MAN put-down, (something not unknown in the past), given MAN isn't the only non-London airport striving to win routes to China.

Be that as it may, it is indeed disappointing that there has been so little action since the extra slots for UK regional airports to China were granted. (Are the new EDI/DUB flights part of that?). Although HU have applied for slots from MAN to Guangzhou, there's no indication of anything happening anytime soon. And would that be the right route anyway bearing in mind PEK was only 4 x weekly this summer compared to daily for a period in 2017? As for rights held by Air China for MAN-PVG, goodness knows what the situation is there - politics over getting slots at Shanghai, simply a blocking ploy by Air China? Anyone got an update?
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 11:37
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Use MAN at the weekend for the first time. no real issues. Missus got hauled at security for having her straighteners in her hand luggage, which i thought was strange as no issue leaving BFS with them. I should add that we travel using one of the lanyards so probably a little easier. Security looked nuts in the standard queue.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 12:05
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CA were initially expected to start operating the route mid-2016, but obviously politics had prevented the airline from announcing the proposed 4 weekly service from MAN-PVG.

I must say it will be interesting to see what transpires over the next few months to see whether a third or even fourth long-haul addition it added to the MAN network. If anything, I would say the most likely third haul link could be HU- CAN, TG- BKK, and/or BBC- ZYL/DAC.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 18:13
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VLM are having restructure (again) so will cancel all UK routes bar London City. This means MAN routes will not start.

hands up who didn’t see that one coming!
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 19:45
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR
VLM are having restructure (again) so will cancel all UK routes bar London City. This means MAN routes will not start.

hands up who didn’t see that one coming!
could you at least have the decency to post a link to back up this claim!?
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 19:51
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No need to be so rude about it but there we go.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/v....co/YdCHrs4Pht
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 20:01
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Originally Posted by RAS_2001
could you at least have the decency to post a link to back up this claim!?
P**S OFF you rude bugger
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 20:08
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR
No need to be so rude about it but there we go.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/v....co/YdCHrs4Pht
Thanks LAX, just needed some clarification that's all!
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 20:14
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That’s fine, but as said, no need to be rude about it.
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