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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 08:59
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Originally Posted by 110Cornets View Post
CX have a series of one-off cancellations over the Winter 18-19 period. Here's MAN schedule for December. It looks like you had some bad luck there!

01DEC18-28DEC18 MTWTFSS MANCHESTER /HONG KONG
11DEC 1234567 MAN HKG 1130# 0705 CX 216 351*C
09DEC 1234567 MAN HKG 1130# 0705 CX 216 351*C

(sorry, I can't format this any better - it just shows that the current schedule ends on 9 Dec and commences again on 11 Dec)

CDG/FRA/MXP/LGW and even LHR have short term or one-off cancellations through this period too.
Flts cancelled 14/21-11, 10/12, 17/22-1/19, 25/28-1/19, 21/24-2/19, 5/20-3/19.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 09:20
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Originally Posted by ZOOKER View Post
The statistics posted by Scottie Dog are, as always, interesting. As opposed to pax departing to all these destinations, are there a complimentary set for arriving pax?

How many travellers, for each destination, start and finish their trips at EGCC, as opposed to those pax starting and finishing, 'at the other end', and going home again?

No real axe to grind, but as a 'human geographer', just curious as to where everyone's going?
As a follow-on. Which are the primary business routes? The holiday and VFR routes are very easy to identify, less so the business routes (either by logic or by appearance of traveller).
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 09:53
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CX;

Flts cancelled 14/21-11, 10/12, 17/22-1/19, 25/28-1/19, 21/24-2/19, 5/20-3/19.

Spanners, I hope we are still getting the A350-10 for the 3 months. Those 7 cancelled flights in that period will slightly offset the extra capacity provided by the larger a/c. Surprised at 4 days cancelled in January - I assume the reason for the 350-10 was increased demand in the pre and post-Christmas period.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 10:18
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Is it becasue deliveries are running a little late so with all routes loosing a few flights might add up to 1 aircraft short?
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 12:30
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Just to add to the debate about nationalities on flights based on my experience . City/business destinations can be very mixed between Brits and locals. BIO is often heavily skewed towards Spanish and SKG in the winter is predominantly Greek. KEF sees a lot of Icelandicís heading to Manchester (for some City culture/life no doubt given where they live) There can be a large number of non-EU nationals on most city/business routes too. Lots of Chinese, Australians, Canadians and Americans. Indeed, my carrier has an American website.

Holiday destinations, unsurprisingly, tend the be mainly Brits of course but places like PFO can see a large number of Cypriot students at various times of the year. Some of the more upmarket Greek destinations such as JTR and JMK can also see a number of non-Eu nationals too.

TLV is of course a massive VFR Route from both ends of the route.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 15:20
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Originally Posted by chaps1954 View Post
Is it becasue deliveries are running a little late so with all routes loosing a few flights might add up to 1 aircraft short?
Actually the last one was delivered early! But the one scheduled before that is yet to be delivered. The number of deliveries for this year has increased from 6 to 8, with the last one being 24th Dec!!!
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 19:11
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planned Jet Airways Mumbai now 5 times per week
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 20:52
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boredintheairport,

Surely many of the VFR routes declined when they demolished the 'south side hangars' and built R/W 2?
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 21:22
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Originally Posted by ZOOKER View Post
boredintheairport,

Surely many of the VFR routes declined when they demolished the 'south side hangars' and built R/W 2?
VFR in the context 'boredintheairport' refers to means 'Visiting Friends and Relatives', not visual flight rules.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 22:04
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Originally Posted by The96er View Post
VFR in the context 'boredintheairport' refers to means 'Visiting Friends and Relatives', not visual flight rules.
Indeed. You would think given that both are terms common in the aviation industry, they would remove opportunity for collinearity.

Visiting Relatives and Friends VRF would seem like a simple fix.

Either way, The96er is correct, I mean Visiting Friends and Relatives.
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 00:31
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Both are terms used in aviation but there is very little crossover. Visual Flight Rules is a very operational term where as Visiting Friends & Relatives is merely a categorisation of passenger for the marketing bods. The latter term is actually never used operationally.
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 07:24
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post
planned Jet Airways Mumbai now 5 times per week
Jet facing a cash crisis...

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/65255075.cms
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 09:15
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Originally Posted by boredintheairport View Post
Indeed. You would think given that both are terms common in the aviation industry, they would remove opportunity for collinearity.

Visiting Relatives and Friends VRF would seem like a simple fix.

Either way, The96er is correct, I mean Visiting Friends and Relatives.
Well I got the witticism Zooker, even if no one else did!
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 10:28
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Thanks CP. I've honestly never encountered the other version.
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 15:08
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Originally Posted by easyflyer83 View Post
Both are terms used in aviation but there is very little crossover. Visual Flight Rules is a very operational term where as Visiting Friends & Relatives is merely a categorisation of passenger for the marketing bods. The latter term is actually never used operationally.
Unless you are a leisure pilot in a non-instrumented plane when you could operate a VFR VFR flight.
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You could do it in a commercial or military aircraft, stuffed full of instruments, too, (which can still fly under VFR), but not in Class A airspace.
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 19:28
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Can anyone please explain when this agreement of 50 flights, excluding London airports, comes into force over new flights from China to the UK, and vice versa, I have just noticed that Air China have said they will start an extra 3 flights per week , arriving early morning, from Beijing into LHR, There have also been a few new announcements of other airlines adding Heathrow, Hainan i think is one. Just wondering, thats all.
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 20:34
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Refuelers Air China are already operating up to 3 daily flights into Heathrow right now the additional flight is CA616/617 and itís unreported !

They are adding an overnight flight shortly.

The bilateral is already active however the real demand and route profitability isnít actually present.

As said many times Chinese aviation is smoke and mirrors - indeed many of those carriers are little more than shells and the routes operated so heavily subsidised by the local/regional governments it would find many western companies in court for fraud !

They are operated directly as a result of a dictate from the highest authority of the PRC and the Chinese tax payer is paying big time - itís pure politics at work as part of the Chinese Global domination statergy.
Makes the ME3 seem quite amateurish and itís far more worrying imho.

HNA Group is built on these Shells and those routes by Capitol, Tianjin and Hainan to Changsha are stuffed with CAISSA tourists very low yielding and are little more than charters in reality. Below stairs plenty of boxes through.
What they are not doing is opening new UK export and business opportunities through.
Certain British politicians and indeed ministers need to take note imho !

Similarly I fully expect the China Southern route to Wuhan to disappear soon as Daxing opens especially as CZ Has been awarded the route over China Eastern.

China Eastern is for some reason less than favoured in Beijing -Well,its actually because Shanghai refuses to alllow Air China slots for already awarded routes there ( one of which is Manchester !)

To consider the genuine demand just look at Edinburgh numbers again without CAISSA tourists they would be in single figures !

Manchester has pretty much settled at load factors in the 80% range .





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Old 4th Aug 2018, 21:27
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Originally Posted by Rutan16 View Post
Refuelers Air China are already operating up to 3 daily flights into Heathrow right now the additional flight is CA616/617 and itís unreported !

They are adding an overnight flight shortly.

The bilateral is already active however the real demand and route profitability isnít actually present.

As said many times Chinese aviation is smoke and mirrors - indeed many of those carriers are little more than shells and the routes operated so heavily subsidised by the local/regional governments it would find many western companies in court for fraud !

They are operated directly as a result of a dictate from the highest authority of the PRC and the Chinese tax payer is paying big time - itís pure politics at work as part of the Chinese Global domination statergy.
Makes the ME3 seem quite amateurish and itís far more worrying imho.

HNA Group is built on these Shells and those routes by Capitol, Tianjin and Hainan to Changsha are stuffed with CAISSA tourists very low yielding and are little more than charters in reality. Below stairs plenty of boxes through.
What they are not doing is opening new UK export and business opportunities through.
Certain British politicians and indeed ministers need to take note imho !

Similarly I fully expect the China Southern route to Wuhan to disappear soon as Daxing opens especially as CZ Has been awarded the route over China Eastern.

China Eastern is for some reason less than favoured in Beijing -Well,its actually because Shanghai refuses to alllow Air China slots for already awarded routes there ( one of which is Manchester !)

To consider the genuine demand just look at Edinburgh numbers again without CAISSA tourists they would be in single figures !

Manchester has pretty much settled at load factors in the 80% range .
Rutan, Thanks for the quick reply, i fully understand now. Yes i know LHR is favoured by airlines, just seems a shame for the rest of the UK airports.
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Old 5th Aug 2018, 05:44
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Originally Posted by Rutan16 View Post
Refuelers Air China are already operating up to 3 daily flights into Heathrow right now the additional flight is CA616/617 and itís unreported !

They are adding an overnight flight shortly.

The bilateral is already active however the real demand and route profitability isnít actually present.

As said many times Chinese aviation is smoke and mirrors - indeed many of those carriers are little more than shells and the routes operated so heavily subsidised by the local/regional governments it would find many western companies in court for fraud !

They are operated directly as a result of a dictate from the highest authority of the PRC and the Chinese tax payer is paying big time - itís pure politics at work as part of the Chinese Global domination statergy.
Makes the ME3 seem quite amateurish and itís far more worrying imho.

HNA Group is built on these Shells and those routes by Capitol, Tianjin and Hainan to Changsha are stuffed with CAISSA tourists very low yielding and are little more than charters in reality. Below stairs plenty of boxes through.
What they are not doing is opening new UK export and business opportunities through.
Certain British politicians and indeed ministers need to take note imho !

Similarly I fully expect the China Southern route to Wuhan to disappear soon as Daxing opens especially as CZ Has been awarded the route over China Eastern.

China Eastern is for some reason less than favoured in Beijing -Well,its actually because Shanghai refuses to alllow Air China slots for already awarded routes there ( one of which is Manchester !)

To consider the genuine demand just look at Edinburgh numbers again without CAISSA tourists they would be in single figures !

Manchester has pretty much settled at load factors in the 80% range .





Thanks Rutan, much appreciated for the explanation.
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