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Old 24th Nov 2018, 12:11
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Sat 2 was offered to Emirates exclusively? All of it?
Thinking they’d close LHR/LGW and move everything to Stansted?
IF this is true, it becomes apparent STN have given EK an unbeatable deal to open STN-DXB, but if the rest of this is true, it’s mental!!

I was surprised at STN getting EK as it seemed a little commercially out there, but if MAG are as near as damn paying them to fly it, how could they not? Anyone know how good the introductory deal is and for how long?
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 12:38
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Somebodies getting their MAG's and BAA's confused.
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 13:19
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Comical....

Never let reality get in the way of a good prejudicial viewpoint eh Skipness.

Your post is an attempt at baiting & can be ignored.

The previous poster correctly states it... you are getting your MAG`s & your BAA`s muddled probably deliberately in my view at least.
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 14:21
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Well MAG have offered to Emirates if they bring in a second flight then they will pay for Emirates to fit out the SAT1 lounge space anyway they want. Emirates have already installed the WiFi to the lounge, but this is apparently for their ground operations.

I must say I have not heard anything like Emirates being offered the whole of SAT 2. I work for MAG in one of the operations departments and have a quite good working relationship with Swissport and some of the Emirates base managers and they have never mentioned this to me.
I just canít believe this would ever be true. If MAG where to offer Emirates any type of deal like this it would be in a new SAT, never SAT2.
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 14:44
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SSB said BAA offered it...
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 15:08
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BAA offered a Sat to Virgin years ago not sure about EK though.
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 16:38
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To be perfectly clear & to reiterate what SWBKCB has pointed out now twice...

I was just illustrating the precedent of a SAT being offered exclusively to a client & one illustration I am aware of was Emirates.

The precedent has not been exclusive however to Emirates as has been mentioned VIR had been offered a SAT probably on an ongoing basis in the past & was far more well known within airport circles for some years.The overconstruction of stands to the east of what is now SAT3 that I have mentioned before was alluded to at that time with a possible VIR backstory.

Logic says there would have been others,

Just to EMPHASISE this was all under BAA ownership & we all are aware of course MAG have had ownership now for five years.

The machinations in the BAA boardroom in the past & leading up to it`s sell off originally & then prior to breakup as demanded by the Monopolies Commission under Spanish ownership would always have been "interesting".
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 17:19
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Hypothetical Question... Could Emirates operate STANSTED to the USA?
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 17:24
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
Hypothetical Question... Could Emirates operate STANSTED to the USA?
Not automatically (as an EU airline could), they would need the specific agreement of all licencing authorities.
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 17:37
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
Hypothetical Question... Could Emirates operate STANSTED to the USA?
Air India used to fly LHR-Canada and to the USA (and also El Al, Kuwait AW, plus Qantas did too many moons ago operated to the USA - Qantas also op'd vis the Caribbean (aka Fiesta route cha cha cha )
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 17:42
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Not automatically (as an EU airline could), they would need the specific agreement of all licencing authorities.
Wishful thinking ​​​​​​- Instead Of Emirates parking up all them Aircraft why not launch an Emirates UK company.
But I guess if they did then Stansted wouldn’t be the Airlines first choice.
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 17:48
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
Air India used to fly LHR-Canada and to the USA (and also El Al, Kuwait AW, plus Qantas did too many moons ago operated to the USA - Qantas also op'd vis the Caribbean (aka Fiesta route cha cha cha )
In fact El Al used to operate TLV - STN - EWR back in the day. If I can remember right it was sometimes scheduled with the 747-400. Some really good fares on the route too, but they also used to cancel it a fair bit. It wasnít that well marketed IMHO. I imagine if it was operated these days with the power of social media especially from the Stansted side of things would do a better job of promoting it.
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 18:20
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Air India have only recently relaunched flights between London and New York under their existing long time fifth freedom rights .

There would be little problem for Emirates in gaining similar fifth freedom rights if requested imho.
Indeed MAG GROUP would likely encourage such a request however might look to support their northern runways in such a venture in the first instance.

FIfth freedom flights via MAGs northern runways have a very long history indeed.


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Old 24th Nov 2018, 18:47
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I thought one of the main reasons EK introduced Stansted was due to the freight a B77W can carry.. With LGW, LHR, BHX and MAN all A380 operations the Stansted flight can take a lot of the freight that would otherwise have been transported by road a long way north.
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 20:22
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There would be little problem for Emirates in gaining similar fifth freedom rights if requested imho.
The American Big 3 might raise an eyebrow at that comment...
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 22:32
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
The American Big 3 might raise an eyebrow at that comment...
I think Emirates had or has fifth freedom from Milan(?) but the big three had put pressure on the US government to prevent further encroachment, and Iím sure that was pre-Trump.
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 10:53
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Reference the MAG offer to provide bespoke lounge facilities in SAT1 for Emirates with commencement of a second service will it in part reflect the high end fit out & service of the new Business Class in the a/c used on the existing UAE33/34?.

I realise UAE34 departs at a relatively quiet time for the terminal but do the Business Class pax have access to fast track?.

It will be interesting if & when launched what cabin classes will be provided on a second service.

Would expect a "standard" cabin a/c with standard turn round times...UAE33/34 having timings designed around a specific market.
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 11:28
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UE premium cabin passengers get fast track security and use of a sectioned off area in the escape lounge on the mezzanine level below the main terminal
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 11:50
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Ah...thanks for the info whitelighter.
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 16:53
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The East of England China Forum was officially launched on 22nd November facilitated by Stansted Airport & comprising business groups,county councils,local government,tourism agencies & universities to support the drive to secure a direct Chinese airlink.
The STN CEO states "the expectation of the forum launch will eventually culminate in the securing of a direct link between Stansted & China".
It goes on to say the formation of a similar forum in Manchester has previously proved very successful.
Highlighted & involved is Jiangsu Province a not insubstantial region of 80m inhabitants with very good trading links with Essex & the region.
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