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Old 30th Dec 2017, 18:28
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Thanks for the insight which together with earlier input regarding the R/W ops issues does help to explain the manifold factors that were in play.
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Old 30th Dec 2017, 18:36
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How many threads come back to this same point - the low fare revolution has meant that all the slack in the system has been cut back to reduce costs, so anything outside the norm and the system can't cope.
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Old 30th Dec 2017, 20:05
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Would’ve been the same at Heathrow in steady snow showers, a contaminated runway and a strong crosswind.

Plenty of examples of BA being a shambles when snow hits LHR.

Please don’t try and turn it into a ‘lo-cost’ thing.

Have you ever passed through Dubai when the fog arrives in the UAE once or twice a year? A dreadful experience and not one to be repeated.

Changeable weather conditions are what they are.

A large number of passengers take air travel for granted and are unaware of it’s complexities. Safety comes first in this part of the world.

An airline’s reaction to all this is heavily affected by EU261 legislation - the passenger can’t have it both ways.
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Old 30th Dec 2017, 23:36
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I think it is very much a ‘low cost thing’. Not that the runway was SNOCLO - I think even the armchair experts have hopefully now deduced that the runway was closed for good reason. Rather the omnishambles that develops inside the airport when things aren’t going to plan and that’s by no means limited to STN. The point I think SWBKCB is making, and that I agree with fully, is that staffing levels in airports are cut so much to the bone due to the ‘low fares revolution’ that when things go even slightly off plan (eg. Snow, wind, slot delays) there isn’t sufficient operational resilience built in to cope. So then you have no ground staff to meet and disembark the aircraft, not enough baggage handlers to offload, not enough staff to adequately manage the expectations/provide information to delayed passengers etc etc. All because just the absolute bare minimum of staff are provided to get through a normal day, in the pursuit of low fares.
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Old 30th Dec 2017, 23:50
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A big part of the issue of staffing levels is automation. Examples here of FR and BA in LHR. More automation at check-in/bag drop means less staff required and bigger cost savings. It's unlikely many of those check-in staff would be ticketing trained for FR and even BA, but they are still people that can offer assistance and advice, and be a face for the Airline. I can't imagine FR would be paying handling agents for an abundance of ticketing agents that would only really be needed in situations like this. Usually 1 or 2 people manage these desks on a daily basis.
Labour savings are great, until it goes wrong in these situations.
Secondly many Airlines are outsourcing their ticketing (this is reference to full service Airlines, not EZY and FR that tend to still have ticket desk presence at most Airports)
With a more "remote" style of ticketing, Airlines don't have the people on the ground with the expertise. I've seen this in action and a lot of the time it works and is more efficient. A person at the end of a phone or behind a computer screen not even near passengers can rebook a whole flight in a fraction of the time, mainly because they haven't got someone stood in front of them wanting all the options, arguing, chatting and basically distracting.
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Old 31st Dec 2017, 11:00
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Insightful post from Cuillin Hills.
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Old 31st Dec 2017, 11:08
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Re a post & prediction a few months ago on (as I recall) the Doncaster thread, B733 G-TGPG arrived STN a couple of days ago to be based for 2Excel Aviation.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 15:45
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A subsidiary of Ryanair,Ryanair UK lodged an application with the CAA on 21.12.17 for an AOC to continue flying UK domestics to Belfast,Edinburgh & Glasgow from STN in the event of a "hard" Brexit.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 16:17
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They did this when PIK-STN was launched in late 1995, not sure how far they got as it launched with EI- B737-200s. Perhaps they wound it up as they had no need of it. See also Ryanair Europe, the former London European.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 16:25
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Surprised you didn't mention Buzz..
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 16:31
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Primera have extended both the AGP & ALC season for 2018 from STN.

Both now commence 9.4.18 daily,were originally due to commence 23.4.18.

AGP now bookable through to 9.12.18.

ALC now bookable through to 2.12.18.

Both were originally available to 27.10.18.
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 18:00
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Boeing 737 or A320 family operated?
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 18:21
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Using their current 737's, with their current Danish crews.
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Old 9th Jan 2018, 07:32
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Another route from Primera for STN.

Crete/Chania CHQ.

Weekly on a Friday between 27.7.18 & 7.9.18.
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Old 9th Jan 2018, 09:24
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I guess more to follow, I can’t see just a Friday route, maybe going to see a Greek operation for the remaining days, who knows but it’s getting rather interesting.
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Old 9th Jan 2018, 11:44
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I would say this is going to be on a ‘W Pattern’ from Copenhagen from these flight times on their website.

CPH 07:00-11:30 CHQ
CHQ 12:30-14:30 STN
STN 16:00-21:40 CHQ
CHQ 22:40-01:15 CPH

Do they have crew bases in at current destination or will we be seeing a Airbus and Boeing crew base at STN?
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Old 9th Jan 2018, 11:46
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Now 6 destinations in STN`s destination window on the Primera website,comprising 3 short haul & 3 transatlantic.

The Alicante & Malaga have recently had their seasons extended too making the B738 based now at least until late 2018.

The newly added Chania is with B738 & with timings 1430/1600 indicate this then is to be flown by a non based a/c.

Omitting ATH,Primera fly to 3 other Greek destinations from Scandinavia namely Kos with 2 Scandi connections,Zakynthos with 1 & Rhodes with 3 so hopefully potential from these for services to STN.

On present planning on Fridays STN during the height of Summer will see 4 different Primera a/c.
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Old 9th Jan 2018, 12:21
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Good news,also another cargo extra. Asiana are addind a Tues rotation to their schedule making it now three a week.
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Old 9th Jan 2018, 14:35
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Flying today...inbound flight number appears to be original flight number with a 1 on the end.
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Old 9th Jan 2018, 23:28
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List of new and resumes routes from STN 2018. Frequency based on last week of August.

Air Corsica
Ajaccio (3 weekly, eff May)
Bastia (3 weekly, eff May)
Figari (2 Weekly, eff May)

Dubai (1 daily, eff June)

Almeria (2 weekly, eff May)
Bodrum (2 weekly, eff May)
Kefalonia (2 weekly, eff May)
Malta (2 weekly, eff March)
Naples (3 weekly, eff May)
Nice (6 weekly, eff May)
Thessaloniki (2 weekly, eff May)
Verona (2 weekly, eff May)

Boston (4 weekly, eff May)
Alicante (daily, eff April)
Chania (1 weekly, eff July)
Malaga (daily, eff April)
New York/Newark (daily, eff Apr)
Toronto (3 weekly, eff May)

Belfast Intl (3 daily, eff March)
Glasgow Intl (resumes 3 daily, eff March)
Edinburgh (resumes 5 daily, eff March)
Rimini (2 weekly, eff March)

Thomas Cook
Enfidha (1 weekly, eff May)

Burgas (1 weekly, eff May)

Kristiansand (4 weekly, eff August)

Reykjavík KEF (daily, eff April)

Most new routes outside FR in years I believe.
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