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Old 27th Jan 2018, 11:44
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Just read an article on "aviation wales". it suggested that cardiff needs a transatlantic link to reach the 2020 target. surely cardiff can get norwegian/primera? look at shannon in ireland. around the same size as cardiff and has 6 airlines to 7 north american destinations. thoughts and opinions please
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 12:10
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Other than a holiday flight to Orlando, forget it.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 12:49
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What a shame.... I done some research and the population of Limerick metropolitan area (nearest city to shannon airport) is 191,000. cardiff metro population is 1,097,000. so how can they get loads of US destinations and cardiff cant even get one?

Shannon has aer lingus to new york and boston, american airlines to philadelphia, delta airlines to new york, air canada to toronto, norwegian to stewart and provedince and united to newark. surely cardiff could support Norwegian to stewart (new york)
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 13:37
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NYC a couple of times a week and Orlando once a week is probably it for Cardiff. Shannon is unique with many of those flights for Irish Americans tourists. CWL doesn't have that.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 13:38
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Originally Posted by Harry Wayfarers View Post
You need to get over this Wales vs England thing, similarly there is a poster on the Yorkshire airport threads that clearly has a problem with Lancashire!
It'll always be Wales v England, history saw to that.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 15:28
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Yeah I have to agree with Jerry123, can’t see anything else other than NYC (2-3 per week) or Orlando (1 per week). Possibly YYZ once a week ?

We used to have the following transatlantic flights about 10 years ago.....

Zoom
B767-300 to YYZ once per week
B757-200 to YYZ once per week
B767-300 to YVR once per week

XL Airways
B747-200 to SFB once per week

Monarch Airlines
A330-200 to SFB once per week

Thomson Airways
B767-300 to SFB once per week
B767-300 to CUN once per week
B767-300 to POP once per week

I remember those years pretty well as the flights especially those to Canada were always good pretty full in both economy and premium economy.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 15:51
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Shannon is a completely different market to Cardiff. The vast majority of transatlantic passengers are US tourists who have roots in Ireland. If you look at Shannon's transatlantic destination list, they're all in the heavily Irish-populated North East. Wales simply doesn't have as strong a link with the US, and would struggle to sustain a transatlantic link.

Larger UK airports have a) lost or b) never had transatlantic services, so I doubt that airlines will be looking at Cardiff, which is a much smaller market. I do think that eventually Cardiff will see a Norwegian-style service, or perhaps indirect links via Keflavik.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 16:20
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Yeah wow failed at bfs so doubt we will get them here. i guess the shannon routes are heavily subsidised by the government?
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 18:34
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Originally Posted by Harry Wayfarers View Post
EL,

Your profile suggests that you live in EDI so besides GLA and perhaps NCL you are stuck with it and need to take whatever flight options are available locally.


From EDI you don't have similarly convenient alternatives but from south-west England, indeed south Wales itself, you do with BHX and the LON airports, the problem isn't with CWL, the problem is QR connections via DOH and there are plenty of alternative airlines from the other airports.
"stuck with it"?

I'm perfectly happy with the range of choices from central Scotland. I've barely had to go from or via England for several years now unless LON/MAN/BHX are my final destinations. I can think of one occasion 2 years ago when I flew to Montenegro, I had to take a train to Manchester. I can accept that. There is a wide range of options for me to choose from. I'm not sure what negative image you're trying to paint. I don't really need "similarly convenient alternatives" as all my needs are more than catered for from either EDI or GLA. Other than Tivat there hasn't been anywhere I've needed to go in the last 4 years that has required me to look beyond Scotland and in that time I've been to about 30 odd countries.

You can complain about connection times, that's fine, it's not something I have ever had an issue with on QR but to a lot of people that won't matter, and in most cases, if you shift the date either way by a day you'll see the connection time drop. I won't be perfect for 100% of the people 100% of the time, but then no airline can get that. If you kept the flight at the same time each day it would inevitably mean some destinations are missed totally, so the split timing idea is the best way to catch as many people as possible. If QR starts seeing missed opportunities or a demand in people seeking a connection that doesn't work well, so they are going to the competition, then I am sure they will do what needs to be done to rectify it.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 18:39
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Originally Posted by cwlwatcher View Post
Just read an article on "aviation wales". it suggested that cardiff needs a transatlantic link to reach the 2020 target. surely cardiff can get norwegian/primera? look at shannon in ireland. around the same size as cardiff and has 6 airlines to 7 north american destinations. thoughts and opinions please
I don't know how well informed the author of the Aviation Wales article is but he cites 'sources' saying that CWL is in 'advanced talks' with 'at least one, probably two' US carriers and believes that a link to either Chicago, Washington or Atlanta is more likely than New York or Florida which he describes as 'already saturated' markets. He must be speaking generally as they are not saturated from CWL because there are no direct routes from there.

He projects possible passenger figures for a 3 x weekly service to one of the above three airports, but also believes that Primera or Norwegian could be options.

I would have thought that, if anything, Primera or Norwegian is more likely than a US carrier.

The US references in the article are part of a wide-ranging musing into the ways that CWL might reach its targeted 2 mppa by 2020.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 19:03
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Airtours also done Orlando 767 and 747 was used
Plus Travel City direct 747
Zoom aslo done vancouer 1 flight per week
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 19:08
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Toronto was year round 3 or 4 flights a week in summer
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 19:24
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The problem for CWL is that although it has a good history of Orlando and Caribbean flights there are really only 4 airlines in the UK it can go to. TUI,Thomas Cook, Virgin Atlantic and BA. One those doesn't operate long haul at airports outside of London and the other 3 do operate regionally but all benefit by sucking passengers out of CWLs catchment area to top up there other airports. So realistically CWL has to either find a new airline or offer the other 4 amazing terms to operate from the airport that they can't turn it down. Will be interesting to see if get a carrier back on the Orlando route in the future.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 19:37
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I am from Shannon myself. Shannon and Cardiff are different markets. Tourism is the main reason for the many North American flights as is the cluster of US Multinationals and the improving economy. None of the transatlantic flights are subsidized by the government. in fact only 2 domestic routes in Ireland are. CWL and SNN are 2 different markets in 2 different countries.
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 08:17
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2007 was certainly a good year for long haul.

There were only 1 or 2 direct Zoom flights a week on the 757. The 767 flights were split with LGW for YYZ and BFS for YVR.

XL used an Air Atlanta 747-300 from 2004-2007 onward with 520 seats. I think 2007 was the last year the 747 was used before it switched to an XL Airways A330.
The peak season seats to Orlando were in excess of 1000 per week and there was a decent schedule to Canada too.

I'm confident that there will be a long haul operation summer 2019. When do the Tour Operators release their S19 holidays?
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 09:13
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Long haul wise both Thomas Cook and Virgin have packages onsale for S19 but TUI only have until April onsale.
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 11:12
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What is the obsession with long haul? CWL has very few short haul routes, never mind long haul.

QR has yet to commence operations at CWL. Ever heard the saying learn to walk before you run?

There are far bigger and busier airports around the UK lacking transatlantic fights, and even for those airports it's a distant fantasy.
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 11:54
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CWL is only trying to gain back what it's lost transatlantic wise. It just wants to get back running and if it thought small it would never have attracted Qatar.

As for short haul that is growing especially the Flybe base. But if other airlines like Ryanair refuse to expand for as has been suggested for fear of harming Bristol or don't want to add more because of priorities elsewhere and in the case if Vueling because they maybe cautious or lack the bases of other airlines, the airport has limited options to grow.
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 13:04
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norwegian to new york, boston and oakland. delta to atlanta. american to philadelphia. united to chicago
if we got all those we would be off to a great start. as i said already shannon in ireland can do it so we can too
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 13:05
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The Canadian market is in long-term decline due to the ageing of those who emigrated there in the 50s and 60s. It was predominantly a VFR market, and now the F and R are dying off!
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