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Old 17th Sep 2017, 19:45
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Not bad going at all, did the b52s transit through pik at any time do (u) know?
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 14:55
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No. Only flypasts on occasion.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 13:46
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What a load of nonsense!
Glasgow Airport Investment Area - Renfrewshire Website

Cargolux , and who else ?
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 19:47
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investment in infrastructure will help to make Renfrewshire a more attractive, vibrant and sustainable place to live and work by better connecting communities and

Mmmmmm...I lived in Renfrew all my life. Anything to turn it into a more attractive, vibrant, and sustainable place to live, would be to move it to the Mediterranean.

How in Gods name is the M8, already totally choked at the bridge, going to cope with additional traffic

Tend to agree on the total nonsense. Cargolux will stay at PIK I reckon
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 07:35
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Tend to agree on the total nonsense. Cargolux will stay at PIK I reckon
Unless GLA was able to extend their runway towards the motorway to give a sufficient landing distance for the freighters? I'm not sure if this could give them extra take off length though? I'm pretty sure that Cargolux sometimes fail to get the best use out of the aircraft even at Prestwick with its extra length.

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Old 21st Sep 2017, 09:35
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I'm pretty sure that Cargolux sometimes fail to get the best use out of the aircraft even at Prestwick with its extra length.
How so?

What difference would it make switching it to GLA? an extra 30 minutes in a truck down to Prestwick doesn't make much of a difference.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 09:56
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Why would Cargolux move? Freight doesn't care where it lands? And it is true that the shorter runway at Glasgow is sub optimal for a freighter at a heavy landing weight. I can see Ryanair making the move up the road but I don't see why Cargolux would willingly move?
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 10:08
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PIKs on it's knees , as we all know , if the SG pull the plug it'll be curtains. If PIK were to go it would mean EMA for the likes of Cargolux , so maybe by talking to Glasgow and seeing what's on offer from them , they're just checking their future options !
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 11:26
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I'm looking at the 2012 chart for the 747-8F which is quoting about 10,100ft for an MTOW (448 tonnes) take off. Flying to Los Angeles some weight will likely have to be shed for extra fuel and this will be made worse by Prestwick being a little shorter than the required runway length. It maybe that their engines have been up-rated since 2012, someone might know.

That is why I am saying that GLA will need runway work before it can match Prestwick as a heavy freight base.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 15:25
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Isn't all of PIK's scheduled heavy freight now only going as far as LUX or CDG? Hence stopping distance is more of the issue than departure?
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 16:47
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Does the cargo make a lot of money? Would it be worth GLA building an extension just for some cargo flights? Extending a runway is very expensive and with engines getting better all the time a longer runway will become less useful than it used to be, or is it all about trying to kill of Prestwick as a competitor?
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 14:37
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo View Post
Isn't all of PIK's scheduled heavy freight now only going as far as LUX or CDG?
Not according to this, unless it has been changed,

All airlines flying from Prestwick, Glasgow to Los Angeles.

All airlines flying from Prestwick, Glasgow to Seattle-Tacoma.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 15:49
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With a major motorway at one end and an ancient burial ground and silt land at the other, theres a reason the runway has never been extended... let alone height obstacles and high millions required.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 16:21
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It is a long time since I've been there but isn't there a 1000ft hard overrun area at the Western end of the runway which could be changed to runway. This would increase the TORA ON 25 but not the TODA, and would increase both on 05. Also landing run available would increase. However, for the avoidance of doubt, I am not suggesting that this will happen.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 17:19
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Is this a Prestwick thread or a Glasgow thread ? Seems now driven by some silly load of nonsense about Cargolux.
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 18:13
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.... what else can you post for us then if theres more to PIK
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 18:24
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Is this a Prestwick thread or a Glasgow thread ? Seems now driven by some silly load of nonsense about Cargolux.
Fair point, however if Cargolux were to move house, there would not be a Prestwick thread, coz it would not exist

It would move to the Aviation History and Nostalgia section....
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 22:17
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Also has the Polar B747 been scrapped yet?
Almost. Still here, but rest in pieces now.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 11:53
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Originally Posted by willy wombat View Post
It is a long time since I've been there but isn't there a 1000ft hard overrun area at the Western end of the runway which could be changed to runway. This would increase the TORA ON 25 but not the TODA, and would increase both on 05. Also landing run available would increase. However, for the avoidance of doubt, I am not suggesting that this will happen.
The hard area is 500ft, looking at Google Earth. It could probably be extended to 1000ft if the will was there. Might help with their 380 hopes as well.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 18:03
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Major flurry of FR training activity over the last two days with a 737 and 738 circuit bashing together for long periods. Is this FR trying to train new pilots quickly to try and fill the gaps?
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