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Old 15th Dec 2019, 10:11
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Originally Posted by RW20
Notams show wip on stands,but is this for accommodating 320/738 aircraft?
This is to install fixed electrical ground power for stands 2-5.
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 10:54
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Originally Posted by rog747
Ladies and Gentlemen - Straight from the horse's mouth - SOU airport posted on their Facebook this morning -

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Another great reason to #LoveSouthamptonAirport
An extra bit of runway won't mean larger aircraft, it will simply enable airline operators to use their planes more efficiently, which would spell out more exciting destinations for business and pleasure!
Show your support for SOU by visiting http://bit.ly/35mrZ3f and leaving a comment.
We won't operate any larger or nosier aircraft than we do now....Extra runway will simply allow us to use existing size aircraft so you can fly further to more destinations.
- Unquote

So it seems there you have it.
I think this gives a much clearer picture as to what SOU is at last hopeful to be working to and as to which airlines they may seek to come to SOU.

Existing A319/A320, maybe the A320Neo too? will hopefully be able to operate economically to say - Malaga, Faro, and possibly Greece and the Canaries with a workable payload, without the need for a Tech stop under normal conditions.
(Have we had a Neo in yet on the GVA?)
Be minded that EZY are disposing of their A319's in due course.


IMHO I doubt we will see the Boeing 737-800NG, 737M -8 200, 737M -8 or 9 or 10, nor any A321 size aircraft at SOU.
These leaves Ryanair and Jet2 both out of the frame, together with TUI, & say Enter Air and Smartwings who both operate IT charters for UK Tour Operators.

The 737-700 or 737M - 7 (149 or 172 pax) could be ideal but the -700 is too old now, and the new MAX-7 is still grounded, and no one has ordered it in Europe...

(link is the PPA to the Council)

I have purposefully left out Flybe (Virgin Connect) here as we have no idea as to their fleet (and new aircraft procurement) and their business plans for SOU, either for leisure/sun/ski, or businessman flights.
320N is yet to use SOU. I personally believe Rog that the orange lot are being lined up once extension works are hopefully complete. SEN announced both EZY and RYR bases in the June for the following April summer season start, which coincidently is when SOU hope to commence new runway operations (S21). Does this mean we might see an announcement mid next year? Lets keep fingers crossed!
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 11:03
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It can realistically only be Orange to be brutally frank - plus Virgin Connect if they decide SOU is in their jet fleet expansion plans.

As for charters will we see Volotea (A319/B717) continue on the TUI charters to Palma? (IBZ was dropped, and BE op TUI's MAH with a jet-prop)
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 11:30
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Done with pleasure Some of the objectors comments are simply ill-informed scaremongering
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 12:42
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Originally Posted by rog747
Ladies and Gentlemen - Straight from the horse's mouth - SOU airport posted on their Facebook this morning -

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Another great reason to #LoveSouthamptonAirport
An extra bit of runway won't mean larger aircraft, it will simply enable airline operators to use their planes more efficiently, which would spell out more exciting destinations for business and pleasure!
Show your support for SOU by visiting http://bit.ly/35mrZ3f and leaving a comment.
We won't operate any larger or nosier aircraft than we do now....Extra runway will simply allow us to use existing size aircraft so you can fly further to more destinations.
- Unquote.
Was always the case, larger aircraft, such as L1011, DC10, B707, B747 & Concorde are banned from landing at the airport by the current Section 106 Agreement with LPAs! Runway width will always preclude wide bodied ops.

Merry Christmas to all our readers, let’s hope that the forthcoming decade will show continued investment to permit the airport to achieve its full potential.

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Old 17th Dec 2019, 06:37
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CAA stats for Oct show SOU passenger traffic down a whopping 17%. Things have got to change and fast!!
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 12:17
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Originally Posted by stewyb
CAA stats for Oct show SOU passenger traffic down a whopping 17%. Things have got to change and fast!!
In any other business serious questions would be asked about why and how the airport Paxs continues to decline drastically month after month! It seems that all hope is put on turning things around on a proposed 164 Mtr starter strip.Even if the strip is approved,it's going to take a long time to get back to the heady 2 million paxs of past years.As for 3 million in the next few years,well SOU will need to attract and more importantly KEEP future airlines.

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Old 17th Dec 2019, 12:43
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Originally Posted by RW20
In any other business serious questions would be asked about why and how the airport Paxs continues to decline drastically month after month! It seems that all hope is put on turning things around on a proposed 164 Mtr starter strip.Even if the strip is approved,it's going to take a long time to get back to the heady 2 million paxs of past years.As for 3 million in the next few years,well SOU will need to attract and more importantly KEEP future airlines.
Except any other business isn't like a aviation. Airports rely on airlines actually wanting to offer their product from them. If airlines like Flybe or BA or Easyjet or Lufthansa don't want to place their products there the airport can't exactly buy it from elsewhere like small shop would.
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 13:47
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In any other business serious questions would be asked about why and how the airport Paxs continues to decline drastically month after month!
A look at the stats and it's quite simple to see where the loses are - the sun and French regional routes. The core business routes are stable.

Hence the proposal to allow airlines to operate longer routes more effectively.
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 15:32
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With the improved RWY 20 take-off obstacle environment when the tree work is completed, together with the northern extension I would ask the question "Are Virgin Connect going to be able to anything meaningful with ther de-rated E175s?".

Is there anyone out there with access to take-off performance charts to ascertain whether the summer sun routes, or something with a similar sector length could be operated with economic loads using the E175s?
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 16:58
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
With the improved RWY 20 take-off obstacle environment when the tree work is completed, together with the northern extension I would ask the question "Are Virgin Connect going to be able to anything meaningful with ther de-rated E175s?".

Is there anyone out there with access to take-off performance charts to ascertain whether the summer sun routes, or something with a similar sector length could be operated with economic loads using the E175s?
One must assume that SOU have presented their runway / operational improvements to the various prospective airline operators.

There seems to be a reluctance to commit real money to kick start shovel ready work. Is that because the airlines are feeding back they are not interested, or it is not enough to make the airport a commercially viable proposition?

I have a lot of affection for SOU, I used to commute between GCI and SOU when I was employed by AirUK.

It's sad to see it's current decline.




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Old 17th Dec 2019, 17:25
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Good points raised,points that some contributors to this blog should seriously consider.The fact is the airport has a tough job attracting operators for Sun routes with a viable BOU just down the road!
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 18:23
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Originally Posted by Planespeaking
There seems to be a reluctance to commit real money to kick start shovel ready work. Is that because the airlines are feeding back they are not interested, or it is not enough to make the airport a commercially viable proposition?


I Have to agree and guess we will only know the answer to this after the master plan has been approved. I will probably get shot down as a SOU hater (im far from it) but you have to ask yourself is the extension really going to attract the men in orange??
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 18:57
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All there eggs in one basket? The future looks less then orange!
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 19:29
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Originally Posted by Planespeaking
There seems to be a reluctance to commit real money to kick start shovel ready work. Is that because the airlines are feeding back they are not interested, or it is not enough to make the airport a commercially viable proposition?
With respect, I'd disagree with that statement, as the airport owners stand ready to commit millions of pounds on a runway extension. This is of course subject to planning permission, so isn't in their power to deliver at the moment, but if they get approval I'd expect to see work commence rapidly.
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 20:10
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The largest pax losses were seen on routes to Spain, Portugal, Netherlands and Ireland. Rennes and Limoges were not operated in October this year compared to last year.

Otherwise on domestics the airport didnít fair too badly - Guernsey was up by over 5,000 pax which is a huge increase and shows where SOUís strengths are.

For the month SOU handled 142,607 compared to 171,037 which is still a large number of passengers. 12-month rolling total is 1,825,000. This is not a small number...other airports would kill for this!

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Old 17th Dec 2019, 21:23
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Guernsey was up by over 5,000 pax which is a huge increase and shows where SOU’s strengths are.
No doubt because there are 2 operators on the route and prices have been driven down. I flew there and back last week (on the morning and evening peak hour flights with BEE/BCI) for around £75, which is the least I remember paying during the last 3 years (during which time I've done the journey around a dozen times).
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Flight shaming and environmental concerns will be the death of domestic air travel. Unless they work on electric aircraft for ultra short haul flying pretty soon then I don’t see how this changes. SOU needs to get out of this reliance on domestic - hence the need for a runway extension. If LHR’s third runway gets delayed then SOU has an even stronger case environmentally to make more efficient use of its existing runway.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 12:21
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Delay on R3 at LHR by Ďat least 12 monthsí has to be good news for the airports expansion plans. Another 10 years or more of over capacity in London will mean the South East will look to gap fill elsewhere, even in these climate change times!
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Old 31st Dec 2019, 17:01
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To date circa 600 comments on council website re planning, split 60/40 against, interested in your thoughts? Happy new year all
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