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Old 17th May 2019, 11:07
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321 View Post
I for one want to see SOU developed to its full potential as it will benefit the entire region. If you look at the likes of BRS they are now handling 9million passengers a year. Yet between them BOH & SOU struggle to get a combined 2.8m. The population of BRS is much smaller than the SOU/PMTH and BMTH populations combined - so what the hell is going on?!
Southampton/Portsmouth/Bournemouth combined populations should be compared wth 'Greater Bristol' which includes cities and towns such as Bath and Weston-super-Mare. Furthermore, because of its physical location at the intersetion of two major motorways (M4 and M5) and a similar rail 'cross-roads' (London, South Coast, South West, Midlands/North, South Wales) the city region is easily accessible from most parts of the country, albeit once in the city area itself the traffic can be horrendous and the airport is poorly connected.

BRS attracts significant numbers of customers from South Wales, Devon/Cornwall and parts of the Thames Valley, which was one of the considerations that Barbara Cassani mentioned in her book when her airline Go set up its second base and chose BRS. That said, around 40% of BRS's annual passenger numbers begin or end their journey in the 'Greater Bristol' area, roughly analogous to the area covered by the short-lived county of Avon.

The South West and the Bristol area in particular still 'loses' several million passenger journeys to the London airports (mainly LHR) each year.

Having said all this, I agree that the South Coast airports should be handling considerably more passengers than is currently the case, having regard to the size and make-up of the cities and towns within the Southampton/Portsmouth conurbation. They are under-performing when compared to somewhere like BRS which might be thought to be punching above its weight at a physically constrained site with poor surface connectivity.

The Eurostat concept of larger urban zones is sometimes a more realistic guide to city region population sizes than municipal populations.
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Old 17th May 2019, 15:41
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Originally Posted by MerchantVenturer View Post
Southampton/Portsmouth/Bournemouth combined populations

The Eurostat concept of larger urban zones is sometimes a more realistic guide to city region population sizes than municipal populations.
Centre for Cuties provides a very good analysis:

https://www.centreforcities.org/city-by-city/puas/

..and the Casani book “Go an airline adventure” well worth a read, lots about project “Brazil” for guess where!? MV knows the answer!
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Old 27th May 2019, 12:10
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Now this would be an ideal fit for Southampton?

airBaltic CEO Martin Gauss said the carrier identified airports in Europe that could serve as bases should the carrier exercise options for 30 A220-300 aircraft (Routes Online, 24-May-2019). Mr Gauss said: “It would be a point-to-point operation to other countries outside the Baltics”. Mr Gauss added: “Our business plan calls for up to 50 A220s to be based here – expanding from Riga which stays a hub and spoke airport – but also Tallinn and Vilnius; we’re adding aircraft to these two bases”.
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Old 29th May 2019, 21:43
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CAA stats for March show GVA down a significant 17% on 2018. Any reason as to why circa 1k less passengers took this route? I think EZY finished earlier this year but only towards the end of March
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Old 30th May 2019, 13:32
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Possibly the fact that Easter was end of March 2018 but not while April week 3 this year.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 21:28
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Trump rumoured to be at SOU tomorrow on board a C32 (Air Force 1)!

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Old 5th Jun 2019, 21:38
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He was indeed, it’s not everyday you see Air Force One at SOU! (Or even a 757 for that matter!)
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 04:16
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PM Trudeau in his A310 had to go to LGW as I guess that was too big for SOU - unless the chap was going to have a quick private visit to meet HM>?
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 11:07
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321 View Post
I for one want to see SOU developed to its full potential as it will benefit the entire region. If you look at the likes of BRS they are now handling 9million passengers a year. Yet between them BOH & SOU struggle to get a combined 2.8m. The population of BRS is much smaller than the SOU/PMTH and BMTH populations combined - so what the hell is going on?!
It's not super complex, the airport is massively constrained by it's physical environment and runway length, not to mention the proximity to both Heathrow and Gatwick, something which affects BRS regarding LHR but less so LGW. These markets don't operate in isolation of course, there is substantial overlap, and just look at the sheer volume on offer from easyJet out of Gatwick. We have too many airports in the UK.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 14:20
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I had some time on my hands.

April as a whole saw 147,209 pax, down 12.8% on last year, rolling total 1,945,517 down 5.6%. Some good news mixed in with the bad:

Positives

Leeds Bradford 2,438 up 120%
Alderney 2,064 up 22%
Rennes 1,478 up 10%
Chambery 1,189 up 10%
Edinburgh 15,351 up 8%

No change/insignificant change

Cork 2,300 +2%
Guernsey 9,355 -1%
Jersey 13,387 -1%
Nantes 1,708 0%
Paris 6,449 -3%
Newcastle 9,434 -3%
Dusseldorf 2,529 -4%
Alicante 2,678 -4%

Negatives

Bergerac 3,236 -5%
La Rochelle 1,077 -8%
Glasgow 13,826 -9%
Belfast 9,816 -10%
Malaga 3,124 -11%
Limoges 1,015 -18%
Manchester 16,713 -18%
Palma 1,060 -21%
Dublin 10,202 -24%
Faro 1,850 -24%
Amsterdam 14,302 -32%
Geneva 554 -82%
Bordeaux 0 (last year 1,412)
Aberdeen 0 (last year 1,877)
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 16:18
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Expansion work supposed to be starting in October
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 16:12
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Stewby,
What do you base this info on?,the planning permission from EBC had yet to be approved.
There will be many objections and delays ,so even if approved then surely 2020 will not be a viable date for completion.On another note ,the passanger figures are very disappointing as late,will any airline be interested in coming to Southampton with the proposed runway extension?
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 10:09
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Expansion work supposed to be starting in October
Which October is the question??.......
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 16:08
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The Marlhill Tree works have been stopped by a high court order after one person called for a judicial review of the decision to allow the work done on the trees.
I understand that a judgement in favour of the Airport Operator has been given - fuel up the chainsaws?

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Old 16th Jun 2019, 16:20
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I understand that a judgement in favour of the Airport Operator has been given - fuel up the chainsaws?
Assuming the obstruction represented by the trees is removed what improvements in payload/range can be expected at SOU?
Will that open the airport up to A319/320 equipment?
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Old 16th Jun 2019, 17:01
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Originally Posted by Planespeaking View Post

Assuming the obstruction represented by the trees is removed what improvements in payload/range can be expected at SOU?
Will that open the airport up to A319/320 equipment?
Removal of obstacles by reducing the height of Marhill Copse trees will not totally solve the obstacle problem, the hill is going nowhere! As mentioned in a previous post it will permit many jet users to take advantage of the a much better obstacle environment which will increase take-off weights (ie fuel/PAX/range). When I was last directly involved, many years ago I believe that it was worth 2-3 tonnes extra for an E145 departure.

As you may be aware the airport has for many years been used by A319/320s, albeit with weight restrictions. Once the new Type A Chart is published, following tree height reduction, there is hopefuly some out there who has current A319/320 take-off performance data who can quantify what exactly the improvement will be.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 17:05
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Yes It has been hot today - Flybe Dash 8 prop flight SOU-Alicante had to stop at BOH for fuel - Just shows the limitations of SOU airport, and using small props on almost 3 hour sectors with a full IT summer load and bags. not gonna happen is it....
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 18:04
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Yes It has been hot today - Flybe Dash 8 prop flight SOU-Alicante had to stop at BOH for fuel - Just shows the limitations of SOU airport, and using small props on almost 3 hour sectors with a full IT summer load and bags. not gonna happen is it....
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I assume they were using 20 at the time. I'd be surprised it couldn't do SOU-ALC off 02 if the wind permitted
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 18:29
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
Yes It has been hot today - Flybe Dash 8 prop flight SOU-Alicante had to stop at BOH for fuel - Just shows the limitations of SOU airport, and using small props on almost 3 hour sectors with a full IT summer load and bags. not gonna happen is it....
Suddenly SOU seems to have gone into negative territory. I know it has a huge dependence on FlyBe which must be a severe worry, but why is the airport's runway constraints becoming more and more of a problem?
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 19:02
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Sou is on a downward spiral,the necessary airside improvements including the starter strip should have happened years ago,and it looks like little will change.
unless something major happens then things can only get worse.
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