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Old 7th Oct 2020, 16:45
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Obstacle Clearance Limit

With a calm wind reading 02 always gave a better take-off distance / weight calculation due to a better Obstacle Clearance Limit.
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 22:19
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So runway extension won’t benefit 02 I think?
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 23:22
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Originally Posted by gkmeech View Post
With a calm wind reading 02 always gave a better take-off distance / weight calculation due to a better Obstacle Clearance Limit.
Graham

I think you mean obstacle clearance environment, an OCL was something related to an instrument approach procedure, replaced by OCA/OCH.
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 10:54
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Originally Posted by TheFlyingWalrus View Post
So runway extension won’t benefit 02 I think?
If they build the blast sceen higher than the 02 TOCS (my post # 2614 refers) I would be inclined to agree. If they don't then que sera, sera.
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 11:09
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https://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/...aro-and-malaga

could be good news for SOU further down the line with the extension and no need for any basing at the airport!
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 23:16
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Runway Extension

Originally Posted by TheFlyingWalrus View Post
So runway extension won’t benefit 02 I think?
Correct, no take-off change to 02, and no landing distance change on 20, displaced threshold
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Old 9th Oct 2020, 08:01
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Originally Posted by gkmeech View Post
Correct, no take-off change to 02, and no landing distance change on 20, displaced threshold
The jury is out on 02 TORA, no change on 20 LDA due obstacles in the 20 approach area (still greater than SEN), possible increase in 02 LDA.
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Old 9th Oct 2020, 09:56
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN View Post
The jury is out on 02 TORA, no change on 20 LDA due obstacles in the 20 approach area (still greater than SEN), possible increase in 02 LDA.
whatever the new declared distances, enough for Airbus ops!
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Old 9th Oct 2020, 10:35
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whatever the new declared distances, enough for Airbus ops!
Especially if they are Neos, even B738 SFPs. Just need somewhere to park them!
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Old 9th Oct 2020, 11:24
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN View Post
Especially if they are Neos, even B738 SFPs. Just need somewhere to park them!
Looking at the plans, the 4 reconfigured stands should be sufficient for the foreseeable (assume no planning required for this?)
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Old 9th Oct 2020, 14:40
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A report on the Eastern/Aurigny tie-up linked on the Teesside thread includes this snippet...

The new cooperation will cover Eastern's existing services from Southampton to Belfast City, Manchester, Newcastle, GB, Leeds/Bradford, Aberdeen Dyce, and Dublin Int'l. The airline plans to add more routes to its Southampton network starting in Spring 2021.
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...xuTkhYnqz07X_A

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Old 10th Oct 2020, 15:35
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All this conjecture about runway LDA and TORA for the airport could be irrelevant if there is any truth in this:https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-engl...shire-54487771.
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 15:55
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All this conjecture about runway LDA and TORA for the airport could be irrelevant if there is any truth in this:https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-engl...shire-54487771.
Very sad....
Tis awful to read stuff like this and my post above of Oct 1st where I highlighted the closure warning announcements given that day by both SOU and EXT airports.

BOH is in a slightly stronger position given its busy cargo Ops with half a dozen based A340-600 aircraft there with currently a lot of work,
plus a TUI 738 base (one aircraft all year) for now, but, with no TUI winter 20/21 holiday programme currently to sell, and EASYJET's BOH-GVA Ski service sales in jeopardy due current quarantine rules for both France and Switzerland it's all looking a bit glum there too.
Not sure what RYR at BOH is doing for the winter...

It is all cataclysmic.
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 16:11
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Originally Posted by RW20 View Post
All this conjecture about runway LDA and TORA for the airport could be irrelevant if there is any truth in this:https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-engl...shire-54487771.
Discussed previously from post #2596 onwards.

Fancy a business seeking planning permission predicting dire consequences if they don't get it - who'd have thought?
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 16:27
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Council decision expected before Xmas and fully expect it to be approved with conditions!
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 16:28
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Originally I thought the expansion was to cater for existing aircraft that use the airport to allow them to fly further with greater payloads, now it's being reported its make or break time that if approval isn't granted the A320's and 737's won't be flocking in, so which is it?
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 16:38
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It is all cataclysmic.[/QUOTE]

This is a global issue which will take years to resolve. The announcements by IATA, ACI (Airports) and various others point to a very difficult future for some time. Those forecasting a recovery (to pre-pandemic levels) are suggesting 5-7 years - everyone's guessing of course - 2025 is tends to be on the optimistic side now, Paris Airports say 2025-27, IATA 2025 (maybe) but could be longer and, it says last week, that airlines will run out on money by the middle of next year even after all the government loans and grants.

Eurocontrol who have issued the best near term forecasts indicate flights through the winter at 50% of normal, most are suggesting there will be 30% fewer flights next summer than in 2019. The UK as a whole is running with passenger levels at about 12.5% of normal which seems to be reflected across most of Europe. Batten down the hatches.

Some airports and airlines will need to hibernate for a while, not all will 'wake up' from the long winter. As Darwin said, it is not the biggest or the strongest that survive changing environments, it is those that are the most adaptable. That is true for airlines and airports too. Its already clear that Cargo, Biz Jet and Domestic travel is doing better than the rest and likely to continue to be for some time.

Lastly, those with cash in the bank will bounce back first (Ryanair in Europe). Many of the others will shrink probably by 30% or disappear.

SOU will bump along with the Channel Islands traffic and some domestic, the airport's challenge is - like the others - to find a way to operate with a cost level that is viable. That means shorter hours, fewer staff, and keeping cash in the bank until the revenue rolls in again rather faster than costs are going out of the door.

At least even now, its rather busier than the cruise port down the road!

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Old 10th Oct 2020, 16:41
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Originally Posted by stewyb View Post
Council decision expected before Xmas and fully expect it to be approved with conditions!
​​​​​​On what basis do you conclude this statement?
The airport like many others is in dire straits,why invest in the rwy extension when the future is at best very unsure?
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 16:50
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Originally Posted by RW20 View Post
​​​​​​On what basis do you conclude this statement?
The airport like many others is in dire straits,why invest in the rwy extension when the future is at best very unsure?
They've all ready invested money in the planning process, so it makes sense to continue. They then have a period of time (4 years?) before the planning permission lapses. Plenty of time to see what the recovery is like.
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 16:53
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Originally Posted by RW20 View Post
​​​​​​On what basis do you conclude this statement?
The airport like many others is in dire straits,why invest in the rwy extension when the future is at best very unsure?
Just because you desperately don't want it to happen, doesn't make it a bad idea for a business to invest in infrastructure improvements with a huge potential for return.
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