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Old 14th Jul 2020, 14:53
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So no way of knowing in advance. I wouldn't want my case full of expensive camera equipment, laptop etc being put in the hold.
You'd probably be alright but check the conditions of your ticket. And get to the gate early.
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 16:35
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Originally Posted by PintofDoom
And get to the gate early.
I've seen them taken off people at the boarding gate before. Without knowing for sure I couldn't risk it.
Is NCL at the bottom of the heap again, this time for the type of aircraft serving us?
When they start up 3 flights soon 2 are Embraer 190s and 1 is an Embraer 175.

I wonder if my KLM/AF Platinum status would make any difference? I asked KLM a couple of days ago but still no answer, though I can understand they are very busy at the moment.
(My voucher refund will take months, they said a few days ago).
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 17:50
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Is NCL at the bottom of the heap again, this time for the type of aircraft serving us?
When they start up 3 flights soon 2 are Embraer 190s and 1 is an Embraer 175.
Three flights a day - bottom of the pile? The summer schedule is usually operated mainly by EMB's
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 18:00
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2s NCL at the bottom of the heap again, this time for the type of aircraft serving us?"

just be thankful you've got any flights at all - some routes and maybe some airports are going to disappear for good
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 18:25
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Three flights a day - bottom of the pile? The summer schedule is usually operated mainly by EMB's
So most flights are operated by aircraft that may or may not allow cabin baggage in the cabin.
Sums it up.
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 18:31
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So most flights are operated by aircraft that may or may not allow cabin baggage in the cabin.
Sums it up.
KLC have a fleet of 49 A/C flying to 60 odd destinations - hardly a NCL issue.
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 19:02
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
KLC have a fleet of 49 A/C flying to 60 odd destinations - hardly a NCL issue.
That seems to me they operate according to what's most economical for them (I know, that's business) but with little regard for the passengers.
However, I have found an alternative. Go to Edinburgh.
They use 737s and for a return flight in a week or two's time it costs £106 Vs NCL's £165.
I can even get a free train to EDI.
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 19:56
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Just checked KLM website and see their are a mixed fleet of 175's, 190's, 737-700's and 737-800 operating up to 4 flights per day from late October.

Sunday 25th October shows mix of Boeing 737-700 and 737-800 operating all 4 flights from Newcastle,

https://www.klm.co.uk/search/offers?...-AMS:A%3ENCL:A
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Originally Posted by VentureGo
Just checked KLM website and see their are a mixed fleet of 175's, 190's, 737-700's and 737-800 operating up to 4 flights per day from late October.

Sunday 25th October shows mix of Boeing 737-700 and 737-800 operating all 4 flights from Newcastle,

https://www.klm.co.uk/search/offers?...-AMS:A%3ENCL:A
That's more like I remember and much better for when I do long haul.
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 20:08
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It is normal on the NCL-AMS to have a mix if 737-7/737-8/E-175/E-190s. (Mainly 737-8 and 737-7 depending on season).

However times are Not Normal. Maybe one day soon they will be.

Im sure they will allow your hand baggage at NCL assuming its within the size and weight limitations.


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Old 14th Jul 2020, 20:16
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I would like to trust to that but I've seen too many people before having to hand over their wheeled cabin bags and they weren't that big.
I've only just seen that pax have to fill in a return UK arrivals form 48 hours before returning.
I bet a lot of people don't know to do that after they released the list of no quarantine countries.
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 20:26
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For as long as I can remember KLM has been scheduled as Mainline in winter and Cityhopper during the summer, though they frequently flex due to demand.
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 06:46
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KLM summer is 4 x daily, 3 x mainline 1 x cityhopper (except July-August when its 2 x mainline, 2 x cityhopper). Winter is 3 x mainline, 1 x cityhopper.
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 08:04
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Iím platinum with KLM and frequently use the E-Jets. I have a routine to ensure this doesnít happen and simply itís be there early.

At NCL, you can work out the gate before itís called and be outside the door before the masses leave the lounge or the pub. Same on return at D6.

If they are looking at trolleys in the hold, that is when the flights are full (probably not going to be full now) and generally they donít take them off business class passengers or platinum.

So, no guarantees but you can get round it with a bit of planning.

And to be honest, a full 737 is just as bad, if not worse than an E Jet where I often see gate staff asking for volunteers to gate drop their bag.
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 08:10
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Originally Posted by P330
Iím platinum with KLM and frequently use the E-Jets. I have a routine to ensure this doesnít happen and simply itís be there early.

At NCL, you can work out the gate before itís called and be outside the door before the masses leave the lounge or the pub. Same on return at D6.

If they are looking at trolleys in the hold, that is when the flights are full (probably not going to be full now) and generally they donít take them off business class passengers or platinum.

So, no guarantees but you can get round it with a bit of planning.

And to be honest, a full 737 is just as bad, if not worse than an E Jet where I often see gate staff asking for volunteers to gate drop their bag.
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Maybe they have changed how they do things.
They used to let pax get to the boarding gate and then take it off them there so they would have no knowledge of what status people are or be bothered about first in the queue, it was just everyone with a trolley would have it taken off them. With a fortune's worth of camera equipment and a laptop that's a non-starter.
Maybe I should have a bike ride to the airport and see what the deal is at the KLM counter.
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 08:12
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Or just get a smaller bag, that then goes under the seat.
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 08:15
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Originally Posted by ash666
So no way of knowing in advance. I wouldn't want my case full of expensive camera equipment, laptop etc being put in the hold.
Based on passed experiences and to speed up the boarding process the number of cabin bags removed from passengers at the gate is indeed dependent on the number of passenger on board.

You could politely ask the boarding agents that due to expensive fragile camera equipment inside you would prefer not as you canít risk it being damaged.

obviously if thatís a genuine reason because if everybody tries that excuse then it will be mandatory because the physically wonít fit.

These items would be classed as delivery at aircraft so should be waiting at the bottom of the steps when you arrive at Amsterdam or back home to Newcastle.

NCL is not bottom of the heap by a long shot. CWL has had Ryanair operate from the 3rd of July. Apart from that there has been no flights at all.

Vueling will re-commence one route weekly tomorrow then apart from that KLM & TUI will be back at beginning of August with the PSI Anglesey operates by T3.

Qatar has decided not to return until the winter.

It appears for CWL KLM will operate 1 x daily then 2 x daily both without night stopping then return to full schedule end of September.

The busier routes or where they feel can make the most money will be restored first where the other will follow later as confidence returns. But certainly NCL is not at the bottom. (Just look at Exeter things could be so much worse)
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 08:18
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Or just get a smaller bag, that then goes under the seat.
I doubt they would allow that for take-off and landing.
A year ago I saw someone told that they couldn't even read a book for take-off.
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 08:31
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Originally Posted by mathers_wales_uk
Based on passed experiences and to speed up the boarding process the number of cabin bags removed from passengers at the gate is indeed dependent on the number of passenger on board.

You could politely ask the boarding agents that due to expensive fragile camera equipment inside you would prefer not as you canít risk it being damaged.

obviously if thatís a genuine reason because if everybody tries that excuse then it will be mandatory because the physically wonít fit.

These items would be classed as delivery at aircraft so should be waiting at the bottom of the steps when you arrive at Amsterdam or back home to Newcastle.

NCL is not bottom of the heap by a long shot. CWL has had Ryanair operate from the 3rd of July. Apart from that there has been no flights at all.

Vueling will re-commence one route weekly tomorrow then apart from that KLM & TUI will be back at beginning of August with the PSI Anglesey operates by T3.

Qatar has decided not to return until the winter.

It appears for CWL KLM will operate 1 x daily then 2 x daily both without night stopping then return to full schedule end of September.

The busier routes or where they feel can make the most money will be restored first where the other will follow later as confidence returns. But certainly NCL is not at the bottom. (Just look at Exeter things could be so much worse)
About 18 months ago I was determined to have laser surgery on my eyes and had the money saved up for that, plus I thought I needed a new boiler, which I didn't. I am now very happy with trying contact lenses, which I can recommend, one eye for distance and the other for reading and they don't come out for a month at a time.
So I spent a large part of that money on camera stuff and a laptop.
Maybe if I told the girl trying to take my bag that I would hold her personally responsible for the £6500 worth of fragile things in the bag she would have a change of mind!
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 08:36
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666 Just say you have batteries in the bag, which you have in the camera so it can't go in the hold! They could ask you to remove the batteries but I doubt it!
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