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SEN will start growing again with major airlines using A320/B737 aircraft in a significant way in about 2 years time, once Stansted during the early morning and late evening peaks is running at something close to capacity
Until then it has to focus on niche areas. For commercial scheduled pax flights that means the likes of FlyOne / Wideroe or (and I know there was endless debate about this a few years ago), thin routes which cannot sustain a 180+ seat aircraft, operated at low frequencies to airports not currently served from London. Essentially all the routes that Ryanair rejects because the potential pax numbers are too small or the route is difficult for some reason
Perhaps a route to Strasbourg with Volotea might be something to pursue for summer 2022 ? Alternatively, would Binter Canarias consider a route with an E195 to Tenerife North airport ?
Until then it has to focus on niche areas. For commercial scheduled pax flights that means the likes of FlyOne / Wideroe or (and I know there was endless debate about this a few years ago), thin routes which cannot sustain a 180+ seat aircraft, operated at low frequencies to airports not currently served from London. Essentially all the routes that Ryanair rejects because the potential pax numbers are too small or the route is difficult for some reason
Perhaps a route to Strasbourg with Volotea might be something to pursue for summer 2022 ? Alternatively, would Binter Canarias consider a route with an E195 to Tenerife North airport ?
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Thats just the point, nobody knows in this current climate with routes and schedules changing almost weekly. It’s hard to predict how aviation will look in 3 months with the prospect of further lockdowns on the horizon, let alone SEN recovery in 3 years!
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I think this proves that people from west of the capital will fly from SEN if there is a good reason to do so.
https://www.southendstandard.co.uk/n...omestic-abuse/
Probably thought he could lose himself in the crowds.
https://www.southendstandard.co.uk/n...omestic-abuse/
Probably thought he could lose himself in the crowds.
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This is happening...Part Two.
Train operators are facing a return to the Fifties where the biggest passenger demand is for Summer day trips to the seaside rather than the morning commute to the office.
Rail firms reporting far busier weekend services & crowding on coastal routes with London commuter trains remaining largely empty.
With a bow to The Guardian.
Train operators are facing a return to the Fifties where the biggest passenger demand is for Summer day trips to the seaside rather than the morning commute to the office.
Rail firms reporting far busier weekend services & crowding on coastal routes with London commuter trains remaining largely empty.
With a bow to The Guardian.
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SEN Catchment
SEN had a catchment started in the business case for developing the airport of 600,000 people.
It's a great little airport, though the challenge is they are very reliant on traffic originating in the catchment, and the mainstay of routes has been sun spots geared towards leisure traffic. Sadly with easyJet out they are heavily reliant on Ryanair and sadly, given their enormous presence at STN they'll not be prioritising SEN any time soon.
SEN will need to draw in a new based carrier such as Wizz or potentially Blue Air... Outside of these it's hard to see them getting back to significant scale in the next 3 years...
It's a great little airport, though the challenge is they are very reliant on traffic originating in the catchment, and the mainstay of routes has been sun spots geared towards leisure traffic. Sadly with easyJet out they are heavily reliant on Ryanair and sadly, given their enormous presence at STN they'll not be prioritising SEN any time soon.
SEN will need to draw in a new based carrier such as Wizz or potentially Blue Air... Outside of these it's hard to see them getting back to significant scale in the next 3 years...
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Catchment area by the hour from the horses mouth. Page 9
https://www.rochford.gov.uk/sites/de...j007b_avia.pdf
https://www.rochford.gov.uk/sites/de...j007b_avia.pdf
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Ok. Thank you Stobart. You’ve ploughed in unbelievable sums of money and given us an airport beyond the dreams of anyone familiar with what existed 10 years ago.
You didn’t try and tart up the old terminal you built a new one. Then extended it. You saw a major commuter rail line to London at the perimeter and built a station opposite the terminal, a minute’s walk to the London bound platform from the arrivals exit.
You, of course, found a way of extending the runway - ok not to an ideal 2,000 metres, but to 1,856 + extensions.
In in more recent times you’ve managed to repair and upgrade all taxiways from the terminal to the runway (don’t scoff, one was not in use and one was in a poor state) built a de-icing platform away from the apron, and let’s not forget the runway, resurfaced and grooved just over a year ago at the cost of millions.
Green? How many other airports generate around a third of their own energy costs? Some investment required to build the solar farm to achieve that.
Car Parks. Sorted in advance of being needed.
Bizzjets. Facility provided. If not a great success another investment.
Amazon. Well done.
Inside the terminal. Show me an airport of comparable size that could give you more.
You even provided a hangar for the Vulcan that sat forlorn in the open for far too long.
But now you are in trouble. Covid19 is not your fault but the Flybe / Virgin Connect business certainly is - no matter that you try to blame it on the pandemic.
So you have this great little airport. And given there’s no shortage of investors willing to feed on others distress, sooner or later you may succumb and SEN will find itself under new management.
Perhaps given all the money spent and possibly written off a new owner would focus on building a successful regional airport rather than the ridiculous talk of 10 then 20 million pax p.a.
You didn’t try and tart up the old terminal you built a new one. Then extended it. You saw a major commuter rail line to London at the perimeter and built a station opposite the terminal, a minute’s walk to the London bound platform from the arrivals exit.
You, of course, found a way of extending the runway - ok not to an ideal 2,000 metres, but to 1,856 + extensions.
In in more recent times you’ve managed to repair and upgrade all taxiways from the terminal to the runway (don’t scoff, one was not in use and one was in a poor state) built a de-icing platform away from the apron, and let’s not forget the runway, resurfaced and grooved just over a year ago at the cost of millions.
Green? How many other airports generate around a third of their own energy costs? Some investment required to build the solar farm to achieve that.
Car Parks. Sorted in advance of being needed.
Bizzjets. Facility provided. If not a great success another investment.
Amazon. Well done.
Inside the terminal. Show me an airport of comparable size that could give you more.
You even provided a hangar for the Vulcan that sat forlorn in the open for far too long.
But now you are in trouble. Covid19 is not your fault but the Flybe / Virgin Connect business certainly is - no matter that you try to blame it on the pandemic.
So you have this great little airport. And given there’s no shortage of investors willing to feed on others distress, sooner or later you may succumb and SEN will find itself under new management.
Perhaps given all the money spent and possibly written off a new owner would focus on building a successful regional airport rather than the ridiculous talk of 10 then 20 million pax p.a.
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Not sure if that £700M offer really was credible. However that's all in the past. Through all this a simple question. Considering the loss the airport made with 2.1M pax a year and looking at the capital available to Stobart, how long before they run out of cash, and what chance the shareholders will inject further investment?
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The figures quoted mean little without context.
The numbers quoted for a quarter share valued SEN then at £2.8 Billion which would be highly unlikely.
Even so...If correct it perhaps may portray the hubris or lack of clarity within the boardroom in not accepting.
The numbers quoted for a quarter share valued SEN then at £2.8 Billion which would be highly unlikely.
Even so...If correct it perhaps may portray the hubris or lack of clarity within the boardroom in not accepting.
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SEN's immediate future may depend upon foreign airlines. After all it makes little difference whether London-bound foreign visitors use SEN, STN, LGW or LTN if they are simply aiming for London. History shows us that many foreign airlines used SEN in the 1950s, 60s and 70s to bring in tourists, students, shoppers etc to Southend for easy transport on to London. SEN is now a much more attractive airport for London due to its rapid transit times through the terminal and straight on to the train. No doubt the SEN management are well aware of this and marketing like fury with foreign airlines......
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Short update re the above brochure style listing...
Green...Unclear what is meant but at first read appears a poor result...As Stobart are part of the Biomass industry very poor.
For instance & just as a comparison of course STN over a far larger site awarded Level3+ carbon neutral status by ACI & the Ist UK airport to hold both ISO14001 & OHSAS 18001 standard.
Car Parks sorted...Well not really you must read the local press too reviewing/reporting the parking shambles around the site.Perhaps researching the reasoning behind the recent planning rejection of the new hotel could be beneficial.
Amazon...Well yes (or no) SEN was not the airport of choice of course.
Green...Unclear what is meant but at first read appears a poor result...As Stobart are part of the Biomass industry very poor.
For instance & just as a comparison of course STN over a far larger site awarded Level3+ carbon neutral status by ACI & the Ist UK airport to hold both ISO14001 & OHSAS 18001 standard.
Car Parks sorted...Well not really you must read the local press too reviewing/reporting the parking shambles around the site.Perhaps researching the reasoning behind the recent planning rejection of the new hotel could be beneficial.
Amazon...Well yes (or no) SEN was not the airport of choice of course.
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"No doubt the SEN management are well aware of this and marketing like fury with foreign airlines".
Any management would/should have been doing this of course before the virus....& the result was?
Any management would/should have been doing this of course before the virus....& the result was?
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I repeat. Car parks sorted. No one parks on the streets outside the airport because of a lack of space inside or that it’s in anyway time consuming to make your way along level access to the terminal. The only reason people park outside is because they can and it’s free. It’s up to the council to agree an arrangement with residents to prevent this. Stobart would welcome new restrictions outside as they are - sorry were - being denied revenue at the moment. Either way it’s out of their control.
Because of the lack of parking restrictions outside it’s undeniable that the proposed location of the second hotel would impact on the problem. However a solution is not beyond anyone’s wit with no shortage of available space right now. The arrangement could always be allowed to slide in future years.
In my brochure I forgot to mention the tower. Built specifically to allow the top brass to visit and survey their kingdom.
Because of the lack of parking restrictions outside it’s undeniable that the proposed location of the second hotel would impact on the problem. However a solution is not beyond anyone’s wit with no shortage of available space right now. The arrangement could always be allowed to slide in future years.
In my brochure I forgot to mention the tower. Built specifically to allow the top brass to visit and survey their kingdom.
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Are the handlers working a 8 hour shift, doing 2 hours work then sitting about doing nothing for 6 hours?
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Ahhh...The Stobart maxim again build it & they will come...(Car Parks)
Do Stobart actually work well with anyone? ie resident airlines or even the Council...One would think at least Stobart & the Council could work hand in glove.(Same purpose surely)
Of course Re the tower perhaps too it supplies the vantage point used to supply the backdrop to the numerous publicity shots of parked up/stored liners an uncharitable fellow may suggest is being portrayed & masquerading as a busy ramp perhaps.
PS...STN uses it`s own Police drone for that))
Do Stobart actually work well with anyone? ie resident airlines or even the Council...One would think at least Stobart & the Council could work hand in glove.(Same purpose surely)
Of course Re the tower perhaps too it supplies the vantage point used to supply the backdrop to the numerous publicity shots of parked up/stored liners an uncharitable fellow may suggest is being portrayed & masquerading as a busy ramp perhaps.
PS...STN uses it`s own Police drone for that))
"The result was" in the past couple of years Wizzair, Ryanair, Loganair, Wideroe and ASL that come immediately to mind. Plus easyJet also increased the size of their base. We're talking about new business they succeeded in attracting and only Loganair can be said at this stage to have been a failure, although the LDY route would still be running but for COVID.
There are plenty of things that can be usefully discussed concerning how difficult it will be to rebuild SEN's passenger numbers but suggesting the management failed to attract new carriers in the recent past is not one of them.
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Not too sure that was the direction of the original post referred to however...It appeared to use the example of foreign airlines using/visiting SEN in the 1950`s 60`s & 70`s & none of those were actually SEN based.
That was the reference & starting point for the reply... So the visiting airlines would be? ....WZZ reducing...LOG gone...Wideroe gone (temp) tbd...Hence the question which appeared reasonable to propose.
Perhaps another interesting posit would be why has LOG gone because of COVID anyway?...STN it`s rightful home perhaps is not a COVID free zone unfortunately.
That was the reference & starting point for the reply... So the visiting airlines would be? ....WZZ reducing...LOG gone...Wideroe gone (temp) tbd...Hence the question which appeared reasonable to propose.
Perhaps another interesting posit would be why has LOG gone because of COVID anyway?...STN it`s rightful home perhaps is not a COVID free zone unfortunately.