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Re: No more night time bizjets at SEN
They wouldn't bother to put the NOTAM out there unless they have decided not to be open 24/7. Put it this way - will someone be in the FBO at 2200hrs if there are no pre-booked movements and a business jet diverts to SEN unannounced? The answer is no because they will likely be closed. And the NOTAM does suggest other restrictions - i.e. no oxygen service available at the FBO and this has to be arranged with a local operator.
I see it's not just Tagron that is miffed with my post - the Southend spotters facebook page suggests I posted out of a love for STN and LTN and a dislike for SEN!!!
Back to my original question - is the FBO closing overnight (when there are no pre-booked movements) because of a lack of business? Or is there another reason? Lack of qualified staff perhaps? I'm just curious and if nobody here knows the answer, then fine.
I see it's not just Tagron that is miffed with my post - the Southend spotters facebook page suggests I posted out of a love for STN and LTN and a dislike for SEN!!!
Back to my original question - is the FBO closing overnight (when there are no pre-booked movements) because of a lack of business? Or is there another reason? Lack of qualified staff perhaps? I'm just curious and if nobody here knows the answer, then fine.
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But Glyn Jones, CEO of Stobart Aviation, says the firm has listened to residents on multiple occasions and tried to offer solutions.
He said: “The average taxi time from the stand to runway is three minutes.
“We have nine aeroplanes based here. They launch in the first hour – that’s the busiest that it gets. The longest hold was less than ten minutes.
He said: “The average taxi time from the stand to runway is three minutes.
“We have nine aeroplanes based here. They launch in the first hour – that’s the busiest that it gets. The longest hold was less than ten minutes.
This is not down to Stobart who are only following the rules but the council who set the rules. What I find stunning is that the council does not appear to get a cut from passenger fees seeing they own the asset. I wonder who led the original lease negotiations? Probably the same person who negotiated Brexit. If the council got passenger income they would be more likely to ignore the complaints and promote expansion which happens at my local airport. For airport expansion to go ahead I can see a complete night ban but would that be a bad thing if it meant more passengers from the airports supporters point of view?
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I think you will find that in every case where SEN has changed hands in recent decades it has just been a matter of assigning the Lease by the then Leaseholder to the new 'buyer', which Southend Council doesn't have the right to 'unreasonably' refuse under English leasehold law. There has been no opportunity for the Council to amend the Lease and they have only been able to introduce night movement restrictions etc. through the planning system. They are unable to impose a 'passenger fee' unless the Leaseholder were to agree an amendment to the Lease to that effect, so really the Council should not be blamed.
I think you will find that in every case where SEN has changed hands in recent decades it has just been a matter of assigning the Lease by the then Leaseholder to the new 'buyer', which Southend Council doesn't have the right to 'unreasonably' refuse under English leasehold law. There has been no opportunity for the Council to amend the Lease and they have only been able to introduce night movement restrictions etc. through the planning system. They are unable to impose a 'passenger fee' unless the Leaseholder were to agree an amendment to the Lease to that effect, so really the Council should not be blamed.
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When Glyn Jones states that there are nine aircraft based at SEN that is not telling the whole truth is it. While that is the number of scheduled pax based aircraft, there are also the JOTA fleet of seven Bae146/RJ pax/cargo charter aircraft (not sure if they are all in service) and of course the two ASL 737-400F. Then we have the non based arrivals/departures of Loganair and Wizz Air as well. Maybe this post is not relevant to the above discussion but hey ho i thought i would post it anyway.
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I can understand what Glyn was saying and yes that is of course quite true but i still feel its misleading for some people to state that only nine aircraft are actually based here.
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Wizzair to Sibiu
Not sure if this has been mentioned before but it looks like this route is returning to Luton from the beginning of the summer season(29/3) according to their website.
What have the loads been like?
Not sure if this has been mentioned before but it looks like this route is returning to Luton from the beginning of the summer season(29/3) according to their website.
What have the loads been like?
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It also looks like Iasi will not be going ahead, which was announced only a month or so ago. Bucharest and Vilnius still on sale. Perhaps space/slots became available at LTN?
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I ma afraid it looks like Wizz will use SEN as LTN overflow- but given that Luton is hitting if not exceeding its planning limit that should still give SEN capacity unless loads/yields prove much worse.
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And more SEN news
https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/180...ike-christmas/
Gary Pearce, GMB Regional Organiser said: "Our members at Southend Airport who work in baggage handling, security, aircraft dispatch and flight operations have been raising their concerns with management in relation to the lack of staff, lack of protective clothing insufficient training, changes to their contracts and what they are paid compared to staff in other local airports for months
Gary Pearce, GMB Regional Organiser said: "Our members at Southend Airport who work in baggage handling, security, aircraft dispatch and flight operations have been raising their concerns with management in relation to the lack of staff, lack of protective clothing insufficient training, changes to their contracts and what they are paid compared to staff in other local airports for months
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Someone should tell Stobart to get this started a day early...Sunderland are away at Roots Hall! The route would get off to a winning start, unlike the Shrimpers
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This is a random route choice. Are their no destinations in near Europe unserved that they could do? EasyJet threw in the towel long ago on STN NCL yet Flybe feel they can make this work. Sceptical much...