Southend-2
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Belgium
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What is the travel time from Brentwood, Chelmsford, Southend or Upminster to Carlisle or wider Lake District area by road or rail? At 4x weekly off peak it is surely these passengers the service is hoping to attract.
Even if they ran a twice daily business schedule, the overall travel time looks quite competitive depending where in London you’re actually heading and where in Cumbria you started. 2 hour check-in is quite generous especially at the Carlisle end where 45 mins should be more than enough.
So I work at a quite (and quiet) regional airport in Belgium (ANR) and our flights' checkin closes 15 minutes before departure (30 minutes for Flybe, though). Now I won't say that I'm super happy with that as an airport employee, but I do see how it is a level of service that you can provide to your customers, as an airline. And seeing how little this policy causes any trouble at our (small) airport, I can't figure out why there are so little small airports giving this level of service to both of their customers - the passengers AND the airlines.
What on earth has the BY 757 crash at GRO got to do with SEN?
The 757 was attempting to land at night in one of the regions worst TS that summer, a wind change caused a miss APP so they then used the other end, where a simultaneous power failure took out the runway lights just before TD.
The approach and final became unstable and the 757 landed hard, bounced causing structural damage which caused multiple failures - one of which was an uncommanded increase in thrust.
The 757 then completely out of control left the runway.....
Please explain why SEN's runway has any credence to this accident ..........?
The 757 was attempting to land at night in one of the regions worst TS that summer, a wind change caused a miss APP so they then used the other end, where a simultaneous power failure took out the runway lights just before TD.
The approach and final became unstable and the 757 landed hard, bounced causing structural damage which caused multiple failures - one of which was an uncommanded increase in thrust.
The 757 then completely out of control left the runway.....
Please explain why SEN's runway has any credence to this accident ..........?
That last bit amazes me actually.
So I work at a quite (and quiet) regional airport in Belgium (ANR) and our flights' checkin closes 15 minutes before departure (30 minutes for Flybe, though). Now I won't say that I'm super happy with that as an airport employee, but I do see how it is a level of service that you can provide to your customers, as an airline. And seeing how little this policy causes any trouble at our (small) airport, I can't figure out why there are so little small airports giving this level of service to both of their customers - the passengers AND the airlines.
So I work at a quite (and quiet) regional airport in Belgium (ANR) and our flights' checkin closes 15 minutes before departure (30 minutes for Flybe, though). Now I won't say that I'm super happy with that as an airport employee, but I do see how it is a level of service that you can provide to your customers, as an airline. And seeing how little this policy causes any trouble at our (small) airport, I can't figure out why there are so little small airports giving this level of service to both of their customers - the passengers AND the airlines.
Works OK at SOU/NQY but again no big jets there....
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Belgium
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
totally agree there - 30 min cut off or less, should be fine for small local airports if the airport and ground staff have their act together - But ANR doesn't handle 4 or 5 x A320's and 3 x 738's all leaving at the same time which is the case of SEN for instance...SEN is now a victim of its own success
Works OK at SOU/NQY but again no big jets there....
Works OK at SOU/NQY but again no big jets there....
Back on topic SEN hopefully will get their act together to enable the enormous increase in traffic to be handled efficiently and fast.
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Outer London
Age: 43
Posts: 607
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Min check-in of 15-30 mins can be done almost anywhere with limit dependent on terminal size. SEN do not set a limit, the airlines do. Nothing to stop Loganair for example coming along and offering 20 min check-in.
It comes down to the airlines. On the one hand it’s clarity and simplicity, you want a clear message rather than array of times for different airports. On the other hand it’s a cynical bit of cash generation, close earlier than you need and you’re more likely to get extra cash from pax for rebooking. Ryanair is a clear example of a company with standard times whether it’s only flight of the day from Castellon or one of hundreds at Gatwick.
It comes down to the airlines. On the one hand it’s clarity and simplicity, you want a clear message rather than array of times for different airports. On the other hand it’s a cynical bit of cash generation, close earlier than you need and you’re more likely to get extra cash from pax for rebooking. Ryanair is a clear example of a company with standard times whether it’s only flight of the day from Castellon or one of hundreds at Gatwick.
I can't think anyone has check-in closure times which are deliberately onerous as a revenue-generating measure from people who then miss flights as a result. Airline check-in times tend to be a function of wanting customers at the gate by at least STD-20 to commence boarding for doors closed at -5 and an on-time push. It also takes time for bags to be security screened, reconciled and loaded and then to get the loadsheet, weight & balance and consequent aircraft performance wrapped up before push. Check-in closures have everything to do with OTP and very little to do with revenue.
At BMA LHR we had -10 at the gate for HBO pax for domestic flights (-20 at check-in if you had bags to check) - We handled ourselves and were switched on.
I don't follow your logic there I'm afraid. How could Loganair responsibly tell pax they can check-in up to 20 minutes before flight departure when at the top of SEN's website home page is a notice declaring "Please ensure that you arrive at least 2 hours before your scheduled time of departure." SEN most definitely 'set a limit' for arrival time at the airport and that doesn't mean pax can amble around landside for 100 minutes before checking in. I had hoped that the 2 hour requirement might be temporary while they sorted out their Security screening shortcomings following the arrival of RYR; it seems not. As it is they've shot themselves in the foot through ineptitude and thrown away one of the main passenger benefits they previously boasted about.
At least they don't say, as the STN website does, that you should allow 2 hours to get through Security after having checked in.
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Outer London
Age: 43
Posts: 607
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I don't follow your logic there I'm afraid. How could Loganair responsibly tell pax they can check-in up to 20 minutes before flight departure when at the top of SEN's website home page is a notice declaring "Please ensure that you arrive at least 2 hours before your scheduled time of departure." SEN most definitely 'set a limit' for arrival time at the airport and that doesn't mean pax can amble around landside for 100 minutes before checking in. I had hoped that the 2 hour requirement might be temporary while they sorted out their Security screening shortcomings following the arrival of RYR; it seems not. As it is they've shot themselves in the foot through ineptitude and thrown away one of the main passenger benefits they previously boasted about.
At least they don't say, as the STN website does, that you should allow 2 hours to get through Security after having checked in.
At least they don't say, as the STN website does, that you should allow 2 hours to get through Security after having checked in.
In any case, short check-ins tends to benefit and be used by higher-yielding business travellers and is therefore a selling point.
Your point in respect of all airports wanting you to spend time within the airport is, of course, correct but seeing as the spend at SEN will be almost all airside surely Stobart would be incentivised to process pax through Security as speedily as possible.
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,864
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Min check-in of 15-30 mins can be done almost anywhere with limit dependent on terminal size. SEN do not set a limit, the airlines do. Nothing to stop Loganair for example coming along and offering 20 min check-in.
.
When to arrive at the airport? Our advice is to arrive at least two hours before your scheduled time of departure
Maybe longer today as the airport has a problem.
We are experiencing some technical issues at check-in. If you have bags to check please arrive early to avoid delays.
Last edited by LTNman; 28th Jun 2019 at 11:25.
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: BMA
Posts: 1,044
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The airport recommends passengers arrive 2 hours before departure and Stobart runs the check-in desks and the baggage handling so the airlines have no say
.
Maybe longer today as the airport has a problem.
So if someone missed their flight by arriving 30 minutes before departure who do you think the airline and airport would blame?
.
Maybe longer today as the airport has a problem.
So if someone missed their flight by arriving 30 minutes before departure who do you think the airline and airport would blame?
Some airports or airlines like BA at LHR don't allow you to pass through security if there is less than 45 minutes until your flight. BA at LCY says check in closes 20 minutes before departure where as LOT says 45 minutes and Swiss closes 30 minutes beforehand for Economy and 20 for Business.
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Essex
Posts: 1,238
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Looks like temperatures at SEN will hit 30c next Tuesday and Wednesday. Heard on the grapevine that Easyjet will be telling the last 15 pax to arrive at the check in desk that they won't be flying on those days due to operational restrictions. Not sure which flights are affected by this but assume it will be the A320 flights. Can anyone confirm the schedule
for the A320s next Tuesday and Wednesday?
for the A320s next Tuesday and Wednesday?
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: uk
Posts: 435
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Do return fares fo liverpool street from southend airport get any cheaper? Seems to be a standard £53.40 return for 2x adults whether you like it or not. Not great when compared with stansted which can be as cheap as £36x2 adults when booked far enough in advance.
Weighing up using loganair again to southend vs easyjet or ba and atm its not adding up with such an expensive train fare.
Weighing up using loganair again to southend vs easyjet or ba and atm its not adding up with such an expensive train fare.
On Saturday it was as hot as it ever gets. Does anyone know if any pax were given the bad news? Or did any aircraft have to make a fuel stop?
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Essex
Posts: 1,238
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The cost of getting to the airport seems to be an issue. It has been mentioned before that it is cheaper to travel further to Southend Victoria than to get off two stops before. Just looked at travelling this afternoon from Liverpool Street and returning Thursday afternoon (both off-peak), cost is £18.60. To the airport on the same trains - £33.40. Absolute rip-off.
Do return fares fo liverpool street from southend airport get any cheaper? Seems to be a standard £53.40 return for 2x adults whether you like it or not. Not great when compared with stansted which can be as cheap as £36x2 adults when booked far enough in advance.
Weighing up using loganair again to southend vs easyjet or ba and atm its not adding up with such an expensive train fare.
Weighing up using loganair again to southend vs easyjet or ba and atm its not adding up with such an expensive train fare.
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: earth
Posts: 953
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Have a look at
Look up fares for any train journey in Britain - Liverpool St to the airport
If you want an advance ticket go to Southend Victoria first, then the airport
Look up fares for any train journey in Britain - Liverpool St to Southend Victoria
Look up fares for any train journey in Britain - Southend Victoria to Airport
Look up fares for any train journey in Britain - Liverpool St to the airport
If you want an advance ticket go to Southend Victoria first, then the airport
Look up fares for any train journey in Britain - Liverpool St to Southend Victoria
Look up fares for any train journey in Britain - Southend Victoria to Airport