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It won't happen as the airport has already put in place a seat cap from April to October 2020 and a maximum daily seat cap is envisaged for summer 2021 onwards . The effect of these caps will be that in order to introduce higher capacity aircraft the carriers will have to cut movements so the airport will end up with spare slots it can't use although this could benefit biz jets
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Please do check your facts first.
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Well in terms of needing to lose some flights, Vueling have slots at STN next summer for CDG and La Coruna. Would they really maintain a minimal presence at both LTN and STN ?
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If they did decamp their LTN operation to STN there slots would gladly be taken by others. I'm sure EZY would love to see them off the AMS route, fairs would rise on what is the No1 route from Luton.
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Vacant slots would not necessarily be taken due to the seat cap. So how would a seat cap actually work as scheduled aircraft don’t normally fly full? Clearly the cap can’t be set at 18 million available seats as less than 18 million passengers would use them. If the cap was set at 18,800,000 seats to allow for say a 90% occupancy what would happen if 95% of seats were filled? Will airlines each have their own quota? Can quotas be traded.
The caping requirement for 2020 and above appears on new documentation for the proposals to increase noise at the airport for 5 years due to a lack of neo aircraft operating out of Luton. The documentation also states that due to the ban on Max aircraft Easyjet want to hang on to their A319’s for longer as they see an opportunity to increase business.
The planning application for new noise limits is now out for fresh consultations so a decision won’t be made until 2020.
The airport operator now only wants to increase noise at night and not during the day despite daytime levels nearly being reached. Does this mean the separate planning application for 19 million can only happen even if approved when more neo aircraft come to Luton?
The caping requirement for 2020 and above appears on new documentation for the proposals to increase noise at the airport for 5 years due to a lack of neo aircraft operating out of Luton. The documentation also states that due to the ban on Max aircraft Easyjet want to hang on to their A319’s for longer as they see an opportunity to increase business.
The planning application for new noise limits is now out for fresh consultations so a decision won’t be made until 2020.
The airport operator now only wants to increase noise at night and not during the day despite daytime levels nearly being reached. Does this mean the separate planning application for 19 million can only happen even if approved when more neo aircraft come to Luton?
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Does LTN have shortage of departure slots in the evenings. Wizz Air changed schedulle of flighs VNO-LTN from 9 December, moving them a bit earlier but LTN-VNO was left as is at 21:50. Now Vilnius aircraft has turnaround time of almost two hours on some days instead of usual 40 minutes for a 321. Will they be able to keep aircraft for two hours at a gate?
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I don't live close enough to the airport to be affected by the increased noise and pollution the planned expansion will cause. Having worked there for 40+ years I have always been in favour of expansion. Not this time. The current plan is ill-conceived to the point of stupidity. Enough is enough. Build T2 elsewhere, preferably south of the runway.
Yahoo!® has mentioned working at LTN in the past, (so it could in reality be LLA given the "expand at any cost" mentality!)
As another long-time airport worker it is painful just how ridiculous the proposed T2 plans are. LBC/LLA need to finally accept the many limitations the current airport site has and stop wasting local Council tax payers money on this current T2 joke!
As another long-time airport worker it is painful just how ridiculous the proposed T2 plans are. LBC/LLA need to finally accept the many limitations the current airport site has and stop wasting local Council tax payers money on this current T2 joke!
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Could well be an aircraft change alm1 regarding the Vilnius service. Regarding Turkmenistan Airlines new weekly service I would have thought they would have checked the operation of the service I.e. with thought to passenger numbers but there again we are talking about London Luton Airport!
The expansion debate needs to be seen in the context of UK transport policy, or lack of it. I'm afraid Britain is very bad at successful forward planning, mainly I think because it is very crowded - particularly in the south-east. The fact is that all our major airports are overcrowded, but by good (short-term) management, cope with huge demand. The same applies to the London underground, the roads network and railways.
As long as people want/need to travel, facilities should be made available for them to do so. I will not address the climate change hysteria, as that brings in a whole lot of new questions and unconsidered possibilities.
Heathrow is overcrowded, as are Gatwick and Stansted. Yet there is still more demand for air services to/from London, to the extent that Southend has picked up a chunk of the market despite its location and limitations.
It makes sense to build new infrastructure to cope with the demand, and that can only happen at existing airports. I'm sure Luton will get its cap increased eventually, but the current T2 proposal looks like putting several quarts into a pint pot. Unfortunately, local government parochialism is preventing Luton from building new infrastructure in the obvious place - south of the runway.
I would hope that common sense prevails, and that sensible expansion can be approved. Aircraft have become much quieter since the first One-Elevens and 737-200s arrived in the late sixties and that trend continues with the neos. Surely growth can be accompanied by noise abatement planning requirements - for example, if you can't operate neos, you can't come in. And surely some of the noise nuisance caused by large corporate aircraft can be "re-allocated" to passenger airliners.
As long as people want/need to travel, facilities should be made available for them to do so. I will not address the climate change hysteria, as that brings in a whole lot of new questions and unconsidered possibilities.
Heathrow is overcrowded, as are Gatwick and Stansted. Yet there is still more demand for air services to/from London, to the extent that Southend has picked up a chunk of the market despite its location and limitations.
It makes sense to build new infrastructure to cope with the demand, and that can only happen at existing airports. I'm sure Luton will get its cap increased eventually, but the current T2 proposal looks like putting several quarts into a pint pot. Unfortunately, local government parochialism is preventing Luton from building new infrastructure in the obvious place - south of the runway.
I would hope that common sense prevails, and that sensible expansion can be approved. Aircraft have become much quieter since the first One-Elevens and 737-200s arrived in the late sixties and that trend continues with the neos. Surely growth can be accompanied by noise abatement planning requirements - for example, if you can't operate neos, you can't come in. And surely some of the noise nuisance caused by large corporate aircraft can be "re-allocated" to passenger airliners.
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ACL Report S20
As you would expect a very small increase in seats due to 18m pa cap
Easyjet = 5,680,572
Wizz = 5,569,074
Ryanair = 1,644,300
Blue Air = 264,205
Tui = 205,980
ElAl = 120,812
Vueling = 109,680
Level = 83,120
Sun Express = 63,126
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...ion-Report.pdf
Easyjet = 5,680,572
Wizz = 5,569,074
Ryanair = 1,644,300
Blue Air = 264,205
Tui = 205,980
ElAl = 120,812
Vueling = 109,680
Level = 83,120
Sun Express = 63,126
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...ion-Report.pdf
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Last year in the summer peak, Wizz has had a couple of departures before 6am thus cutting into the night noise restriction period, which is subject to next years planning application to increase the noise limit. This seemed to be down to the fact that once the clock hits 6am the airport has a lack of slots for a couple of hours. With this in mind I would then have expected that in the winter season Wizz would move those departures to after 6am to save this limited resource but no they just carry on. Tomorrow for example there are two 5:30 departures yet there are only 3 departures between 6:00 and 6:24. They don't seem to be putting much effort into helping themselves.
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Last year in the summer peak, Wizz has had a couple of departures before 6am thus cutting into the night noise restriction period, which is subject to next years planning application to increase the noise limit. This seemed to be down to the fact that once the clock hits 6am the airport has a lack of slots for a couple of hours. With this in mind I would then have expected that in the winter season Wizz would move those departures to after 6am to save this limited resource but no they just carry on. Tomorrow for example there are two 5:30 departures yet there are only 3 departures between 6:00 and 6:24. They don't seem to be putting much effort into helping themselves.
Edit: Looking at those destinations though, I can't see any if those airports being slot constrained, but they could be on flights later in the day.
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OCTOBER PASSENGER STATISTICS
A total of 1,643,040 passengers used the airport in October s rise of 8.4% on October 2018. The rolling 12 month figure is 17,917,519 up 10.2%. The total for the first ten months of 2019 is 15,524,308 up 9.4%. Could somebody verify is the 18 million cap on a rolling 12 month period or over a 12 month period 1 Jan to 31 December.
A total of 1,643,040 passengers used the airport in October s rise of 8.4% on October 2018. The rolling 12 month figure is 17,917,519 up 10.2%. The total for the first ten months of 2019 is 15,524,308 up 9.4%. Could somebody verify is the 18 million cap on a rolling 12 month period or over a 12 month period 1 Jan to 31 December.
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The cap would mean the end of one off charter flights like for football matches, Formula one etc I would have thought unless some capped seats were held back. Also will it be a variable monthly cap so the seats don’t get taken too quickly or a yearly cap?
Also, and this is the real big one to consider, if the trend is upwards as last months 10% increase is indicating then airlines will have to cut services by 10% to stop further increases and to get a growth rate of zero. Last year it was the biz jets that got cut back, now it is the airlines turn.
Also, and this is the real big one to consider, if the trend is upwards as last months 10% increase is indicating then airlines will have to cut services by 10% to stop further increases and to get a growth rate of zero. Last year it was the biz jets that got cut back, now it is the airlines turn.
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