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Old 29th Oct 2019, 09:43
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The problem is that Luton Airport has a national infrastructure role, and is not just a local airport servicing local demand. Until a third runway is built at Heathrow - if it ever is - there will be pressure on the other London-area airports to add capacity.
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Indeed LGS...but just look at STN! It wants to grow to 43 million but the local council isn't now playing ball!
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 11:13
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...but the local council at STN has no ownership conflicts of interest.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 11:16
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The problem is that Luton Airport has a national infrastructure role, and is not just a local airport servicing local demand. Until a third runway is built at Heathrow - if it ever is - there will be pressure on the other London-area airports to add capacity.



It is a bit fanciful to hint that Luton would have a role in relieving pressure on Heathrow. Heathrow has been full for years while Luton has always had capacity. While airlines have been willing to pay millions for Heathrow slots they haven't exactly been falling over themselves for a touch of the Luton experience because they want more of London or is it that they really want the Heathrow connections?

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What I meant was that, for example, EZY have said that with a third runway, they would move some services there. That would impact on Luton. Without that opportunity, Luton will remain stretched.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 13:09
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...but the local council at STN has no ownership conflicts of interest.

My point exactly! Its surely going to get to a stage soon where the relationship between Luton Council and the airport is seriously looked at (especially considering some of the financial implications that the local council tax payers are just expected to swallow!)
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 18:21
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Up until now they have always voted on their own airport planning applications. Maybe all businesses and householders should submit their planning applications to themselves as well.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 19:35
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Just throwing this thought out there......MAG is 64.5% owned by 10 Manchester boroughs. Do they have same concerns? What if LBC offered to bring Herts onboard? They have even acknowledged the benefit Luton Airport brings to their region. Herts gets hit from LTN, LHR & STN so would give them a chance to influence a balanced approach to expansion.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 22:45
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LLAL/LBC own land in Hertfordshire and even plan to put the replacement park in that country but that is as far as it goes. Herts won't be able to refuse as Luton intend to use the powers of a Development Consent Order
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 04:26
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I have lived (mostly) in Western Herts for 35 years and know full well the benefits of the airport on the surrounding area. But the chance of Herts Council getting support from it's residents to buy into LTN? Not a chance. They should - but they won't.
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 07:26
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Why would residents want to buy into another councils debts? Council/LLAL borrowings and planned borrowings so far comes to over 450m for airport expansion projects and LLAL is still only in its consultation stage. Most of that money is for funding the Dart because the airport operator has refused and for building a 2.2km road into the park. If the DCO is refused by government the council/LLAL will be in deep sh!t.

The Dart was only ever required for a second terminal and with Luton capped and coping without it why has the council jumped the gun? Fully agree the Dart will be a game changer but it will not increase capacity as Luton will hit 18 million a year before it is finished.

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Old 30th Oct 2019, 21:04
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If the Dart had a Park-n-Ride, I think that would reduce congestion. The single road in and out is the is unchanging pinch point, as we have discussed here before.

I think that Herts already benefits with jobs and services and it is in their interest to promote it. But I agree with the debt risk. As with so many other aspects of British infrastructure - we do it piecemeal and with no long term plan.
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Are local services seeing cuts, as LBC service the interest on 450m?

Going to need a lot of passengers to help repay that debt, but I suppose York Aviation are the experts.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 07:21
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Are local services seeing cuts, as LBC service the interest on 450m?
Seems they are

The road to Terminal 2. Council cutbacks to pay annual interest charges as the council is funding the road.
https://stoplae.org/council-cutbacks...access-routes/

The rail link. A cut in dividends as LLAL is carrying this debt
https://stoplae.org/the-dart-link-lu...g-225-million/

Think we need some Hertfordshire County Council money, as they are benefiting from the airport without dipping into their pockets.

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I am unclear as to how the LTN Airport Parkway station is going to cope with the extra throughput of airline passengers:
- more lifts?
- more escalators?..................
....the existing ones seem to break down with monotonous regularity.

And what will happen to rail commuters who use the Parkway MS car park when short hop flyers start using it, and the DART, in preference to battling with the airport traffic? Increased prices to dissuade flyers from using it? That will please the commuters no end.

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Old 31st Oct 2019, 19:47
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A new footbridge, escalators and lifts are all ready under construction on the Luton town side of the platforms so there will be two bridge crossings.

Airport parking is going to be provided by building 2 new multi stories on the Dart side of the railway track. The real issue is that the airport hope to increase rail passengers from around 2.7 million to over 12 million so there will be even less chance of getting a seat in Harpenden and St Albans although more passengers will start using the Luton Express which will be non stop before it carries on up north.
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I wouldn't call Corby up north myself. how many charging points are there in the new and planned car parks?
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There is a whole bank of charging points in the existing multi story car park. Never seen a car connected through.
https://www.london-luton.co.uk/parki...hicle-charging

If the Dart had a Park-n-Ride, I think that would reduce congestion. The single road in and out is the is unchanging pinch point, as we have discussed here before.
Actually I can't remember the last time I have seen a traffic jam at the airport. Queues though in the rush hour on the A1081 but that is mainly commuter traffic and queues to get past the bridge supports in the direction of the M1 as there is a lane closed.

Even though I said the new drop off zone layout with its pedestrian crossings and traffic lights would end in tears it is looking like I don't know what I am talking about. With junctions everywhere in the drop off zone and cars facing all directions confused motorist are selecting random lanes for pick up and drop off. Did witness a massive family of 10 loading luggage and passengers into 2 cars that just stopped in the middle of a lane. The driver was apologising in very broken English but just carried on without a care in the world and was in no hurry either to the annoyance of drivers that had their route blocked.
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Originally Posted by 22/04
I wouldn't call Corby up north myself.
The press releases about the new Express Trains said "Abellio has promised to make a 600 million investment into rail services, including the replacement of its fleet with 33 bi-mode trains built by Hitachi. that will link cities in the North and East Midlands to London St Pancras, as well as serving Luton, Corby, Kettering, Wellingborough and Bedford."
Sounds like Noorf of Luton to me!
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Originally Posted by LTNman
A new footbridge, escalators and lifts are all ready under construction on the Luton town side of the platforms so there will be two bridge crossings.

Airport parking is going to be provided by building 2 new multi stories on the Dart side of the railway track. The real issue is that the airport hope to increase rail passengers from around 2.7 million to over 12 million so there will be even less chance of getting a seat in Harpenden and St Albans although more passengers will start using the Luton Express which will be non stop before it carries on up north.
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