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Old 26th Aug 2019, 09:32
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Lee Baker Street...Your naive enthusiasm for the over expanding of the airport speaks volumes and I can only assume you are a plane spotter who cares little for the affect this would have on the local residents lives! I've actually worked at the airport for over 30 years and live in Wigmore so can see both sides of the argument. What the locals are now potentially faced with is the almost complete loss of a large community asset (Wigmore Park) and the local residential roads being turned into a primary feeder route for a huge new terminal. This would be unprecedented in the UK! All of this is being proposed by a Council who are being devious and untruthful with the local residents they are elected to represent.

The often used argument about additional jobs is as mentioned by LTNman is a red herring as the decent paid jobs are basically limited to Pilots, ATC staff, Engineers, Fire Fighters and some refueling staff (many don't live in the local area) Almost all the remainder are at best just over minimum wage jobs with a huge turnover....

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Old 26th Aug 2019, 11:41
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The council claims the average employee at the airport earns £36,000 a year yet has produced no evidence to support this figure. Doing a job search shows that no current terminal or apron vacancies are close to £36,000
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 13:29
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
The council claims the average employee at the airport earns £36,000 a year yet has produced no evidence to support this figure. Doing a job search shows that no current terminal or apron vacancies are close to £36,000
​​​​​​Ground or gate staff makes Anything between 19k and 23k a year depending on the role . Cleaning staff even less. Security still under 30k. I reckon the 36k average comes from hundreds of pilots based at Luton which technically makes them being employed at Luton Airport.
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 22:53
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Ground or gate staff makes Anything between 19k and 23k a year depending on the role . Cleaning staff even less. Security still under 30k. I reckon the 36k average comes from hundreds of pilots based at Luton which technically makes them being employed at Luton Airport

I totally agree.....Its also worth bearing in mind that Pilots and Cabin Crew are mobile and can operate from anywhere. In the case of one airline, their LTN based staff operate a lot of flights from other UK airports (depending on the time of year) If you exclude the pilots, my estimate is that there is no more than 10-15% of airport workers earning over 30K a year!
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 12:34
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Donít forget easyJet HQ is situated at the airport and all staff will be considered airport workers as far as the council is concerned
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 18:06
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Donít forget easyJet HQ is situated at the airport and all staff will be considered airport workers as far as the council is concerned
Easyjet do very little engineering work on site, other than unscheduled work. It is far cheaper to send their aircraft to Eastern Europe or Malta. I'm afraid labour cost is too high in UK, it's not a Luton issue more UK plc. Even Germany is finding itself uncompetitive now and they might be going into recestion. If you ask Lufthansa Tecnik to do work for you they will ask you to send your airplane to one of their centres outside germany.
The days of 9-5 in aviation have long gone I'm afraid. Engineering in the area have spiralled down with BAe gone, Renault Trucks and Vauxhall a shadow of itself, in fact with the french now in control that has got to be a doubt long term.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 19:02
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Fly Bosnia on Monday (26AUG19) opened reservation for its planned Sarajevo – London Luton service, scheduled from 24SEP19. Based on the airline’s web booking system, the airline plans to operate this route 3 times a week with Airbus A319.

6W105 SJJ0715 – 0845LTN 319 267
6W106 LTN0945 – 1315SJJ 319 267

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Old 27th Aug 2019, 20:42
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How long until Wizz add Sarajevo?
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 21:57
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How long until Wizz add Sarajevo?
They have already tried Tuzla and dropped it, maybe there just isn’t the demand to Bosnia Herzegovina.
Looking at the prices Flybosnia are charging it’s certainly not cheap.
Wizz didn’t jump onto the Chisinau route from SEN and take Flyone out , which they could have easily done with their new routes so maybe they haven’t read from the Ryanair book of route management recently.
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 11:35
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Construction update

Parkway Interchange is having its temporary ground floor ceiling supports removed.


While at the other end the viaduct pillars are receiving beams that will support the track


At central station the Dart carriage maintenance area is preparing to have more concrete poured


While part of the station has been dug out parts of it have yet to be started. The maintenance area can be seen in the background.


The second floor of the new multistory has opened but with lifts still not working people are being employed to carry luggage up this narrow fire escape which is the only route to the car park. The fire escape also looks half finished.


Once passengers reach their cars they are confronted with this. With the car park only open for just over a week the site is very dusty. This car is actually black.


Meanwhile concrete is being poured on the top two floors while cars can be seen parked on the lower floors.
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 13:31
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They have already tried Tuzla and dropped it, maybe there just isnít the demand to Bosnia Herzegovina.
Looking at the prices Flybosnia are charging itís certainly not cheap.
Wizz didnít jump onto the Chisinau route from SEN and take Flyone out , which they could have easily done with their new routes so maybe they havenít read from the Ryanair book of route management recently.
Sarajevo is much more widely known and if youíre going to head to Bosnia itís likely there or Mostar. Itís like saying Zagreb didnít work out so Split wonít. To be honest I donít mean it as a spoiler, more natural expansion in the same way they eventually ended up competing with Tarom.

Also worth noting Flyone is peak seasonal so not the same incentive to take them out.
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 14:12
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Interests in Land / Land Interest Questionnaire

LTNman LLAL are sending out letters to us folk in South Luton. Why do they need confirmation of our interests in any particular land? You are in the know so thought it best to ask you first as you may have received the same letter?
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 14:19
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
Sarajevo is much more widely known and if youíre going to head to Bosnia itís likely there or Mostar
Indeed. Even Banja Luka ó a hub for Bosnia's predominant travel method, the bus ó makes more sense than Tuzla. But perhaps the airline is getting a better incentive. I hope FlyBosnia does well to SJJ.


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Old 29th Aug 2019, 16:22
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LTNman LLAL are sending out letters to us folk in South Luton. Why do they need confirmation of our interests in any particular land? You are in the know so thought it best to ask you first as you may have received the same letter?
If I was your neighbours I would start getting worried then but it would be ironic if airport expansion directly affected you as it is all about complying with a Development Consent Order which is needed for airport expansion. Sounds like you and your neighbours have been identified as people who are going to suffer under the proposed expansion plans. Might be road traffic blight (unlikely) or more likely extra aircraft noise. Also LLAL have been buying up land in random area's for reasons that are not apparent. Maybe there is a piece of this land near you that is linked to airport expansion. This might seem far fetched in your case but they have bought land in Hertfordshire for a replacement park. This park would be covered by a DCO so Herts County Council could not stop it. Don't know anyone that has received a letter in my neck of the woods but then they might be sending letters out in batches to different areas first.

Read this.
https://www.llal.org.uk/Documents/LR-guidance-sheet.pdf
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 20:11
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,The June and July passenger figures have now been published with July showing nearlyr 1.8 million. The rolling 12 month figure is just shy of 18 million. What was the yearly passenger ceiling allowed?

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Old 29th Aug 2019, 20:33
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Over 6,600 pax carried on the Bergen route in its first month, don't know what the yield was of course. Looks like the Castellon service has displaced the Verona which is now not bookable. Prices on the Castellon route seem to be holding up well. Some flights to/from Tromso already sold out.
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 22:24
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,The June and July passenger figures have now been published with July showing nearlyr 1.8 million. The rolling 12 month figure is just shy of 18 million. What was the yearly passenger ceiling allowed?
18 million. Might explain why Wizz are dipping a toe into Southend but then they might have done it anyway.

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Old 30th Aug 2019, 11:14
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18 million. Might explain why Wizz are dipping a toe into Southend but then they might have done it anyway.
They had previously reserved slots at Stansted for W19 so on the cards anyhow, would assume Southend made them a better offer!
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Old 31st Aug 2019, 16:23
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So with Verona and Ljubljana stopping the yields were poor I assume. Lets see how Castellon, Catania, Oslo, Saint Petersburg and Vienna hold up. I believe some capacity reductions at LGW as well, maybe just for winter but signs of it getting tougher!
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Old 31st Aug 2019, 16:32
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So with Verona and Ljubljana stopping the yields were poor I assume. Lets see how Castellon, Catania, Oslo, Saint Petersburg and Vienna hold up. I believe some capacity reductions at LGW as well, maybe just for winter but signs of it getting tougher!
Verona's figures are higher than Tromo and Ljubijana's didn't look too bad . Interesting that AMS has been going down from it's peak in OCT 18 .With AMS being the number 1 destination , you'd of thought KLM could give it a go
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