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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:01
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I go back to the days of the Rosskill Commission in the late 1960s which recommended Cublington
And Maplin Sands among others. This was going on when I was still in basic training for the RAF. Now, a twelve-year stint for Her Majesty, followed by some twenty-eight years commercial, and twelve-years retirement, it's still being debated. I doubt if even my grandchildren will see a new runway in the southeast, let alone a new airport.
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:02
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Well if there is such a demand for flights from non-London airports then BA are allowing other airlines to exploit that demand unmollested by the big guy.

Mind you I doubt there is such a demand from people outside London - few servants, footpads and farm labourers can afford air travel...

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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:02
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Originally Posted by Council Van
What purpose would a rail link between Heathrow and Gatwick serve?

No way would I fly part way around the World to Heathrow to collect my baggage, get on a train, check in at Gatwick, go through security to get on another aircraft to fly to my final destination.
If you have a 20 minute link, it's not much different to changing terminals.
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:03
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Originally Posted by Council Van
What purpose would a rail link between Heathrow and Gatwick serve?
It would provide a soft target for the workshy railway unions to disrupt proper peoples' day with minimum effort.
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:04
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Originally Posted by BEagle
an enormously speculative and ruinously expensive 'M25 tunnel' (what a terrorist target that would be )
You realise there's already a public road tunnel under the northern runway?

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.......yet the alternative at Gatwick would not - then there can be no justification for choosing LHR.
The justification for choosing LHR is that it's where the demand is. It's what business wants and it's where airlines want to fly to and from.
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:17
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Trust it will NEVER be built. Not necessary. Expansion for expansion sake........
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:25
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an enormously speculative and ruinously expensive 'M25 tunnel' (what a terrorist target that would be )
We are talking about a runway over road cut and cover type tunnel not a bored Dartford tunnel type one.

You would think that there should be no need for further discussions and debates about LHR expansion yet some of the comments on this, a pilots forum, show that people really do not have a clue about what should be an easy decision.

Add to that the smoke and mirrors from those with ulterior motives and it is no wonder this has dragged on so long.

Hopefully we can now move forward in what is and has always been, the only sensible option.
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:28
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Why not somewhere like Upper Heyford ? Excellent transport links (M40 and a railway are very close), decent length of runway .... I expect to be shot down though :-)
I don't think anyone will bother to shoot you down.

The arguments for and against basing expansion on pretty well every existing strip of concrete in the southern UK (including Heyford) have been debated ad nauseam in these pages over the last few years, as a forum search will reveal.
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:33
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There is one elephant in the room. You can increase capacity on the ground at LHR or STN or LGW, but has anyone noticed that the airspace above London is pretty much at maximum capacity. Have NATS been consulted about how they will handle the increase in traffic? It is normal these days to be handed over to a London frequency and not be able to get a word in edgeways until you have already transited that controller's area of authority.

There's a lovely big runway sitting at Manston that has all it's approaches from over water. Just build decent road/rail links. Kent will welcome the extra revenue.

How about moving most of the long haul holiday traffic to some of the regional airports that are currently withering on the vine. People happily drive hours to London airports for their annual holidays to the Caribbean or Far East. Why not redirect them away from the Capital?
But of course, no one in Westminster wants the annoyance of having to get on a motorway to start their holidays....
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:37
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Originally Posted by Planemike
Trust it will NEVER be built. Not necessary. Expansion for expansion sake........
You said exactly the same thing on the R&N Heathrow Expansion thread. So I will ask pretty much the same question.

If it’s only expansion for expansions sake, why is there such demand for slots at LHR? Why do those slots carry so much financial value?

BTW, is it really necessary to have this subject debated on no less than three different threads in three different sections of PPRuNe?
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:43
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Originally Posted by McDoo
There's a lovely big runway sitting at Manston that has all it's approaches from over water.
Putting aside the factual inaccuracy, the reasons why Manston is unsuitable have been debated over and over and over again.

As DaveReid correctly points out, every possibility in SE England has been debated to death on this forum in recent years.
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:47
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I've been checking the runway out on the map: the village of Harmondsworth will cease to exist, with the runway planned to run over the top of the current primary school. Further to the west, though, I note that it's going to run fairly close to the British Airways headquarters at Waterside. Triple glazing?
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:49
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You can use the two outer runways for approaches and the center one for takeoffs. Might even make HM's home slightly more quiet.
Not much different from using two aside from some go around provisions.
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:56
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Originally Posted by bnt
I've been checking the runway out on the map: the village of Harmondsworth will cease to exist, with the runway planned to run over the top of the current primary school. Further to the west, though, I note that it's going to run fairly close to the British Airways headquarters at Waterside. Triple glazing?
I think you need a new map. Waterside would disappear under concrete.

I don't think that's news to BA.
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:57
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Wrong decision for all the wrong reasons. There is no "need" for extra airport capacity in SE England, it is a nice to have, desired by the establishment and by big business to further line their own pockets and supercharge the economy (of the SE) even further, along with the resultant chaos in terms of increased traffic, pollution, further unsustainable population growth and further pressure on housing stock, forcing those already their to move elsewhere.

The world has moved on, and vanity projects such as this serve no purpose, particularly in a country with no reason to pursue endless and unsustainable economic growth.

That's my opinion anyway!
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 15:00
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Originally Posted by Less Hair
You can use the two outer runways for approaches and the center one for takeoffs. Might even make HM's home slightly more quiet.
Not much different from using two aside from some go around provisions.
That would make Heathrow the only airport in the world that has twice as many arrivals as departures.

Well apart from possibly Marana, Victorville, Mojave, etc.
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 15:16
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Seen your question but still feel that it is "expansion for expansion sake".
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 15:18
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For balanced capacity with cavok you need about two departure runways per three arrival runways. With fog one to two is actually pretty good.
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 15:23
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It's clearly not if there is sufficient demand to require a 3rd runway.
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Old 25th Oct 2016, 15:25
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Looks more like another "vanity project" dreamt up to massage politicians egos. See also HS2............
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