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Old 15th Oct 2016, 09:13
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LHR given permission to build 3rd runway?

I find this difficult to believe.

"The government is set to give both Gatwick and Heathrow permission to build a new runway, according to a construction news website.

New Civil Engineer says it understands that permission will be given straight away for Heathrow to build a third runway with Gatwick allowed to expand within the next five years, when a decision is announced - something that is expected to happen by next Tuesday.

The website, dedicated to news in the construction and civil engineering industries, says Birmingham Airport is also to be encouraged to advance its own proposals for an extra runway.

Gatwick Airport Ltd (GAL) has already signalled its intention to press ahead with building a second runway even if Heathrow is given permission because it does not believe Heathrow can deliver."


Read more at Government 'set to give both Gatwick and Heathrow permission for new runway' | Crawley News
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LHR given permission to build 3rd runway?

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I find this difficult to believe.
Then don't. As of now, it hasn't been.
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Old 15th Oct 2016, 11:35
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But if they do, it's a sensible decision.
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Extra lanes on motorways and parking facilities at terminals to cope with increased traffic?
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I think we should all wait till Tuesday otherwise it's all speculation regardless of what's in the media, btw the Crawley News got this story from the Cilvil Engineer website when it was released to the press last week so still not exactly 100% fact untill an official statement from the Government although personally I hope it's true.
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In any case the phraseology is quite misleading. The imminent hurdle is that the Government will announce its preferred scheme. This is Bechers Brook on the second circuit of Aintree.
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How could Birmingham have a second runway? The last time I looked, the airport is surrounded by urban sprawl, unless they build a runway to the south, with a lengthy taxiway connection? And if they tried that you'd get a lot of objections from the local community, as the northern flight path would probably go over the community of Sheldon.

Maybe they should consider developing Coventry airport as a relief airport for Birmingham?
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Tibbs.
The same reasons apply to R3 at LHR, but also include a diversion M25 and M4, the A4, and local feeder roads, energy plant, detention centre, hotels etc and of course housing. The whole of the UK will give a subsidy in the form of no tax as it will all be "debt finance".
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I don't think the plans for R3 include a diversion of the M25 or M4 only a tunnel over the M25 and a realignment of the junction of the M25 eastbound to the M4 the rest I agree with.
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The plan is for the main M25 four carriageways north & south are to go into a tunnel. The slip roads to accessing and leaving the M4 will have to be re-aligned. When northbound traffic leaves the tunnel the incline will increase from below current ground level therefore increasing the climb to clear the M4. Any HGV's grinding to a halt in a traffic holdup will slow the flow, as occurs now. The two standard diversion routes A4 and A3044 will be altered to accommodate the extended Terminal 5 which goes west towards the M25.
All described in the photo montage supplied by LHR, but the above is not being paid for by LHR, neither the impact of removing all the spoil by road.
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Most of these major schemes do a cost benefit analysis, Of course improved air-links are important but the M25 and its dislocation for a long period must be far more important to the UK than a marginal improvement to the UK air links, after all most of the extra pax and freight for R3 will have to travel along this road link
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Cost benefit analysis is unlikely to include the disruption cost on movement of road traffic whilst construction takes place, and also the original cost of road expansion that has taken place and will now be removed to satisfy R3.
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A PM with common sense? i do hope this is true.
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Why does anyone think this bunch of politicians is going to be any better with a policy on air transport, than any other bunch in the last (say) 40 years?
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Where will BA's Waterworld go? . . .
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A PM with common sense? i do hope this is true.
Apparently she bottled it.

Decision next year after more consultation. Spineless moron :-(

Airports expansion decision 'next year' - BBC News
A final decision on whether to expand Heathrow or Gatwick will not be taken for another year, it has emerged.
Prime Minister Theresa May has told Cabinet colleagues in a letter that a ruling would be made in the winter of 2017-18.
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A final decision on whether to expand Heathrow or Gatwick will not be taken for another year, it has emerged.

Prime Minister Theresa May has told Cabinet colleagues in a letter that a ruling would be made in the winter of 2017-18.

A Cabinet sub-committee will reveal its preferred option next week and a "full and fair" public consultation will follow.
Expanding Heathrow has been strongly opposed by some cabinet ministers. After next week's meeting, ministers will be allowed to make their own views known in a break with convention. However, they will have to ask the prime minister's permission, and will not be allowed to criticise the government in the Commons nor to "actively campaign" against the government. Number 10 would not comment as to whether or not MPs would be able to vote freely on the matter. Allowing ministers to speak out could avert the possibility of resignations from Cabinet.

Earlier, Theresa May told ministers at Tuesday's Cabinet meeting that a decision on increasing airport capacity in the South East had been "delayed for too long" and that it was important to now take a decision "in the national interest", her spokeswoman said.

The nine members of the airports sub-committee do not include Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, whose Uxbridge and South Ruislip seat is close to Heathrow, Putney MP Justine Greening or any other minister representing a London constituency. Mrs May's spokeswoman said the decision to give ministers a limited period to voice their personal views was a "mature, common-sense approach reflecting the fact that many ministers have long-held views and that ministers are also MPs and some have specific constituency issues that they have to address".

As many as 60 Tory backbenchers could vote against expansion at Heathrow, where options include building a third runway, or lengthening one of the existing runways.
Zac Goldsmith, the Tory MP for Richmond Park, has vowed to resign from the Commons if the government approves a Heathrow expansion.

The Evening Standard reported on Tuesday that the local Conservative party would back Mr Goldsmith if he stood for re-election as an independent.
Airlines and business groups favour expansion of Heathrow, which offers far more direct connections than Gatwick and handles much more freight.
A final decision on which London airport to expand has been years in the making.

In 2009, former prime minister David Cameron pledged that there would be no new runway at Heathrow. In July 2015, the Airports Commission chaired by Sir Howard Davies backed a new third runway at Heathrow, but did not rule out the option of expanding Gatwick. Mr Cameron had promised a decision by the end of last year on whether to build a new runway at Heathrow.
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Back to square one!
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Theresa May.............. or May not.

Another bloomin' Tory unable to make an unpopular decision.
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 18:02
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That's sooo funny. Did I say something about politicians 4 posts back?
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