LHR given permission to build 3rd runway?
The right decsion but what a joke
A 2025 service date means that it has taken the UK 40 years to decide where to build a new runway . A decision a 15 year old with an inerest in a viation could have taken inside five minutes.
All major countries (and by 2025 we might not be one of these anymore) so lets say all global cities need global connectivity and that means a hub or focus airport. As we are a small country geography and population wise with one very large city it is economic for the main airport to provide not just a lot of direct services but support its economy and the viability of those services with transit passengers as LHR has done for years.
So, expand LHR and you keep this extremely successful model and LHR and London in the top 5 of global cities/airports or expand Gatwick and get two airports that might as well be 200 miles apart given the M25 neither of which are fit for purpose because they are both too small.
How hard is that ? An example of our horribly broken political process that serves our country so badly in so many ways
A 2025 service date means that it has taken the UK 40 years to decide where to build a new runway . A decision a 15 year old with an inerest in a viation could have taken inside five minutes.
All major countries (and by 2025 we might not be one of these anymore) so lets say all global cities need global connectivity and that means a hub or focus airport. As we are a small country geography and population wise with one very large city it is economic for the main airport to provide not just a lot of direct services but support its economy and the viability of those services with transit passengers as LHR has done for years.
So, expand LHR and you keep this extremely successful model and LHR and London in the top 5 of global cities/airports or expand Gatwick and get two airports that might as well be 200 miles apart given the M25 neither of which are fit for purpose because they are both too small.
How hard is that ? An example of our horribly broken political process that serves our country so badly in so many ways
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Forgive me if I am missing something, but does the reference to "government approves new runway at Heathrow" imply that it is HAL's plan for a new North runway (rather than the Heathrow Hub runway extension) which has been chosen, or is this merely saying "Heathrow is the chosen location, we haven't specified whether it's the North runway or the extended runway option yet"?
Forgive me if I am missing something, but does the reference to "government approves new runway at Heathrow" imply that it is HAL's plan for a new North runway (rather than the Heathrow Hub runway extension) which has been chosen, or is this merely saying "Heathrow is the chosen location, we haven't specified whether it's the North runway or the extended runway option yet"?
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I'd assume its a 3rd northern runway as looking at the wording in the articles and looking at the press release it references the favoured choice of the davies commission and that was a new 3rd runway.
On a side note, It will be weird seeing the orange tail at LHR in the future
On a side note, It will be weird seeing the orange tail at LHR in the future
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The statement talks specifically of a new full length runway (i.e. not just doubling the length of an existing one) and of working with HAL on the design and costs - which would indicate to me it is their scheme.
Also, the levels of compensation and demolitions mentioned suggests it is the HAL scheme.
Also, the levels of compensation and demolitions mentioned suggests it is the HAL scheme.
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So Howard Davies didn't know that there was already a EDI -ORD flight, at least in summer!
W16 there will be at least one daily EDI flight to NY. Both UA and DL drop 1-2 days, but different days.
PAX for other US destinations are most likely to use Reykjavik, or DUB, or even Schipol, which is no dafter than using LHR.
W16 there will be at least one daily EDI flight to NY. Both UA and DL drop 1-2 days, but different days.
PAX for other US destinations are most likely to use Reykjavik, or DUB, or even Schipol, which is no dafter than using LHR.
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So business can support one daily connection and summer holidays drive a lot more which business can then use.
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Silver-Boris Thames airport.
This has already been debated ad-nauseum on the following thread. This is an interesting thread, because it covers every topic of this debate, from every angle. There is something there for everyone.
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...ml#post9039270
The bottom line of my argument, is that LHR does not have the flight or ground infrastructure to be a world-hub airport. This is not about runways in the S.E., this is about an international hub airport, and LHR cannot provide that capacity. We need a 2- or 3-runway international airport-terminal, linked to a 2- or 3-runway regional terminal, which provides the regional feeder traffic to and from the international flights. And because LHR cannot accommodate lo-co carriers, I always travel to AMS for my international flights. It is quicker than travelling to LHR by train, especially since there is no overnight train to get me into LHR for 06:00. Thus LHR is not, and never can be, a world hub airport.
What we need is a 6-runway worldhub airport, with no city overflights, no noise problems, and no night ban. A true 24/7 airport. And it would be nice if it had motorway links north and south, train links to London and the west via Crossrail, TGV links to Paris and Brussels, plus HS2 links to the north and northwest. Only a Silver-Boris Thames airport can provide all of this. And in addition, the Silver-Boris Thames airport will form a part of a Thames barrage, which is long overdue and expensive in its own right.
Another runway at LHR will merely kick this can another 5 years down the road. It will not solve anything.
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...ml#post9039270
The bottom line of my argument, is that LHR does not have the flight or ground infrastructure to be a world-hub airport. This is not about runways in the S.E., this is about an international hub airport, and LHR cannot provide that capacity. We need a 2- or 3-runway international airport-terminal, linked to a 2- or 3-runway regional terminal, which provides the regional feeder traffic to and from the international flights. And because LHR cannot accommodate lo-co carriers, I always travel to AMS for my international flights. It is quicker than travelling to LHR by train, especially since there is no overnight train to get me into LHR for 06:00. Thus LHR is not, and never can be, a world hub airport.
What we need is a 6-runway worldhub airport, with no city overflights, no noise problems, and no night ban. A true 24/7 airport. And it would be nice if it had motorway links north and south, train links to London and the west via Crossrail, TGV links to Paris and Brussels, plus HS2 links to the north and northwest. Only a Silver-Boris Thames airport can provide all of this. And in addition, the Silver-Boris Thames airport will form a part of a Thames barrage, which is long overdue and expensive in its own right.
Another runway at LHR will merely kick this can another 5 years down the road. It will not solve anything.
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So, we need another year of "consultation". What has been going on these last twenty-five years. Heathrow is in the wrong place, by a decision taken immediately post WWII. Time to bite the bullet and start again, with a decent time frame?
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http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/i...eathrow&ref=16
'Fantastic news, I just hope we can get it finished before 2030! '
Indeed. I'm off to the pub at a quarter to nine. ".........quoth Cows getting bigger
Is that BST or GMT.?...and you better confirm they're using quick setting cement!
Anyway historically it will be Heathrow's 8th runway....and just look at that old northern taxiway on the link!
'Fantastic news, I just hope we can get it finished before 2030! '
Indeed. I'm off to the pub at a quarter to nine. ".........quoth Cows getting bigger
Is that BST or GMT.?...and you better confirm they're using quick setting cement!
Anyway historically it will be Heathrow's 8th runway....and just look at that old northern taxiway on the link!
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Don't worry. You can still ask the BER-experts in Germany how to build it.
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Importantly, home owners around Heathrow including those under the flight paths should be able to breathe a sigh of relief that this much needed development will help support property prices for sometime to come. Heathrow generates direct wealth for these very fortunate people. Pity some fail to appreciate what it is worth to them having such easy access to Heathrow and the direct and indirect jobs generated. If they don't like the thought of a third runway - sell out and move somewhere else but don't stop the much needed third runway. Now let's get on and let's try and build it as quickly as possible. It needs a Kennedy "we'll put men on the moon by the end of the decade" focus, especially post-Brexit.
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Are the authorities aware that a new Airport is planned for the central belt in Scotland," closing and/or downgrading Glasgow and Edinburgh where expansion is impossible" with excellent road and rail links already in place, two of the longest runways in Europe, and backing from some of the largest airlines in the world, this will alter the whole economy of Scotland, and just maybe eliminate the need for any expansion in the South.
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Yes!!!!!!!!!!! Finally common sense prevails. The airlines want to do business at LHR so it's only right that the government provides the infrastructure that they have been crying out for. No one wants to fly from that dump LGW unless they are flying low cost. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised to see EZY move all if not the majority of their LGW operation to LHR. You heard it here first. With the welcome decision of BREXIT this country needs to be in a position where it can rightfully reclaim its place as the Hub of the world. I very much hope that everyone who opposed this decision will go back in their boxes. Exciting times.
There is nowhere in SE England to build a 'world hub' if such a thing exists other than the new UAE airport which currently no one uses .
There is no point at all having two airports however theyare divided since in SE England any land journey takes a ridculously long time or is ridiculously expensive if by train.
If Boris island was built the train fare from the IT Valley between Guildford and reading M3/A40 corridors would be more expensive than the airfare to places like Paris Amsterdam etc etc.
Of course LHR isn't ideal but it is the only realistic choice -the reason it is there in the first place is because its on the only bit of flat ground anywhere near London and with usual lack of foresight (perhaps pardonable at the time) was not to leave all the area north of LHR as open land rather than just half of it and developed the airport with that area shown from the start as provision for a third parallel runway.
Now its on to HS2 - 2050 anyone?
There is no point at all having two airports however theyare divided since in SE England any land journey takes a ridculously long time or is ridiculously expensive if by train.
If Boris island was built the train fare from the IT Valley between Guildford and reading M3/A40 corridors would be more expensive than the airfare to places like Paris Amsterdam etc etc.
Of course LHR isn't ideal but it is the only realistic choice -the reason it is there in the first place is because its on the only bit of flat ground anywhere near London and with usual lack of foresight (perhaps pardonable at the time) was not to leave all the area north of LHR as open land rather than just half of it and developed the airport with that area shown from the start as provision for a third parallel runway.
Now its on to HS2 - 2050 anyone?
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I'm surprised people excited by this to be honest. The public consultation will be nasty, the eco-warriors will join in, politicians will not all support it, MAG threatening legal action, LGW will maybe follow suit...this is just the start of more decades of wrangling...no way will this runway be built by 2025, not a chance.
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jonnymac I am afraid that Scotland is just a small Country near to London.
Population, 5.5 million, where are all the passengers going to come from to justify a new airport in the central belt?
As for the Heathrow expansion, is it not time for some joined up thinking with the half hearted HS2 being re routed to call at the airport and being redirected in the City to St Pancras International giving good connections with trains from the East of the UK, the Midlands and HS1 to the continent. Trains on the mainline from the West should also be connected to the airport so that passengers do not having to go past to Paddington to then come back out West.
Still, it is all conjecture, I am sure I will not have to worry about landing on the new third runway having only 18 years left till retirement. I would be mildly surprised if construction has even started by then.
Population, 5.5 million, where are all the passengers going to come from to justify a new airport in the central belt?
As for the Heathrow expansion, is it not time for some joined up thinking with the half hearted HS2 being re routed to call at the airport and being redirected in the City to St Pancras International giving good connections with trains from the East of the UK, the Midlands and HS1 to the continent. Trains on the mainline from the West should also be connected to the airport so that passengers do not having to go past to Paddington to then come back out West.
Still, it is all conjecture, I am sure I will not have to worry about landing on the new third runway having only 18 years left till retirement. I would be mildly surprised if construction has even started by then.