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The only central Yorkshire airport is up and running -at Yeadon. It is used by 3.3m and has potential. Can it be better connected -yes a new link road to the A65 is possible and likely. A rail link is possible and is actively discussed.
Can the terminal building be expanded - yes plans are in hand to expand.
Can the runway be extended and landing aids improved - yes and all in good time. Do the airlines want to use the airport - yes, BA, Aer Lingus Reg, Monarch, Ryanair, etc , not forgetting Jet2 who have a large base at LBA.
Church Fenton is not central to Yorkshire! Those in Sheffield will continue to use Manchester or EMA. Those in Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax will continue to use Man or LBA. Some in Leeds may use CF but LBA will still be convenient to most of Leeds. Ok - York, Scarborough, may find CF nearer, but what catchment area is that?
The enormous cost of developing CF is simply not worth it. A perfectly good airport in the north, Manchester, is near enough for long haul traffic whilst LBA, EMA, LPL ,NEW all provide adequate services for everything else. Ask anyone in Church Fenton village - is it going happen? NO
Can the terminal building be expanded - yes plans are in hand to expand.
Can the runway be extended and landing aids improved - yes and all in good time. Do the airlines want to use the airport - yes, BA, Aer Lingus Reg, Monarch, Ryanair, etc , not forgetting Jet2 who have a large base at LBA.
Church Fenton is not central to Yorkshire! Those in Sheffield will continue to use Manchester or EMA. Those in Bradford, Huddersfield, Halifax will continue to use Man or LBA. Some in Leeds may use CF but LBA will still be convenient to most of Leeds. Ok - York, Scarborough, may find CF nearer, but what catchment area is that?
The enormous cost of developing CF is simply not worth it. A perfectly good airport in the north, Manchester, is near enough for long haul traffic whilst LBA, EMA, LPL ,NEW all provide adequate services for everything else. Ask anyone in Church Fenton village - is it going happen? NO
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I cannot agree with any of your points especially about who will travel to CF. The airlines would love a more suitable airport. You're loyalty to LBA is admirable though from Scotland. Even the head of Leeds council accepts that LBA is not for the future. We'll just have to disagree.
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You started this thread which should have been a general discussion about the viability of CF but instead you have buried your head in the sand and either ignored challenges to your idea or dismissed them as Manc lovers scared of competition.
So I will ask again who will pay for it and what do you plan to do with LBA?
After all it's not Mabchester that will have an issue with CF but first and foremost your airport LBA.
You started this thread which should have been a general discussion about the viability of CF but instead you have buried your head in the sand and either ignored challenges to your idea or dismissed them as Manc lovers scared of competition.
So I will ask again who will pay for it and what do you plan to do with LBA?
After all it's not Mabchester that will have an issue with CF but first and foremost your airport LBA.
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The proposed new HS3 rail link between the North West and the North East will reduce journey times between Leeds city centre and Manchester airport to less than Leeds city centre and LBA and avoid £'ooo's in speed camera fines!!
Of course it matters not, because like CF its not likely to ever happen and certainly not if Labour come to power, the last thing they want is prosperity in the North, don't want all those Northerner's getting ideas above their station and start voting Conservative do we !!
Of course it matters not, because like CF its not likely to ever happen and certainly not if Labour come to power, the last thing they want is prosperity in the North, don't want all those Northerner's getting ideas above their station and start voting Conservative do we !!
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Incorrect. The only piece of MAN in Cheshire is that bit of 05R /23L west of the River Bollin.
The rest of the MAN Airport lies within the boundary of the City of Manchester
Now back to Church Fenton and its giant jetport .....
The rest of the MAN Airport lies within the boundary of the City of Manchester
Now back to Church Fenton and its giant jetport .....
The airport, along with Wythenshawe, Northern Moor, Sharston, Sale, Altrincham etc were in somewhere called Cheshire until 1972.
However, since that date they're not in Cheshire for either administrative nor any other reason, including helping the post office when writing letters.
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The proposed new HS3 rail link between the North West and the North East will reduce journey times between Leeds city centre and Manchester airport to less than Leeds city centre and LBA and avoid £'ooo's in speed camera fines!!
Of course it matters not, because like CF its not likely to ever happen and certainly not if Labour come to power, the last thing they want is prosperity in the North, don't want all those Northerner's getting ideas above their station and start voting Conservative do we !!
Of course it matters not, because like CF its not likely to ever happen and certainly not if Labour come to power, the last thing they want is prosperity in the North, don't want all those Northerner's getting ideas above their station and start voting Conservative do we !!
Think HS3 will happen, just think people haven't been listening to what's being proposed and think HS3 will be a similar scheme to HS2 which it most definitely won't be.
Yep, if you expect loads of brand new tracks capable of running double decker trains at very high speed you'll be disappointed, but that's not what HS3 is planned to be.
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Think HS3 will happen, just think people haven't been listening to what's being proposed and think HS3 will be a similar scheme to HS2 which it most definitely won't be.
Yep, if you expect loads of brand new tracks capable of running double decker trains at very high speed you'll be disappointed, but that's not what HS3 is planned to be.
Think HS3 will happen, just think people haven't been listening to what's being proposed and think HS3 will be a similar scheme to HS2 which it most definitely won't be.
Yep, if you expect loads of brand new tracks capable of running double decker trains at very high speed you'll be disappointed, but that's not what HS3 is planned to be.
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An analogy worth quoting:
A former RAF airfield in a relatively rural location, reasonable road infrastructure not too far away, huge catchment to the west, nothing much to the east but with better alternatives in the region.........Church Fenton? No, I'm talking about Kent International rather than Yorkshire International. The same fate would await investors in 'YIA'.
Also, a much spouted mantra on prune generally is: 'The people of [insert place] deserve a [insert ludicrous and unrealistic airport or airline route]'.
Why do they deserve it? A serious question by the way.
Finally translate the CF proposition, which seems to be built on the notion of the good folk of Yorkshire 'deserving' it, into another county... let's say Wiltshire.
Perhaps the good folk of Wiltshire deserve an international airport to save themselves the inconvenience of having to go to LHR or BRS? Therefore I propose spending hundreds of millions of pounds on converting RAF Lyneham in to Swindon International. After all the people of Swindon have been exporting their hard earned cash down the motorway to LHR for far too long. Something must be done.
Have you not, even for a minute considered that Yorkshire actually benefits from its proximity to Manchester Airport and all that it offers?
A former RAF airfield in a relatively rural location, reasonable road infrastructure not too far away, huge catchment to the west, nothing much to the east but with better alternatives in the region.........Church Fenton? No, I'm talking about Kent International rather than Yorkshire International. The same fate would await investors in 'YIA'.
Also, a much spouted mantra on prune generally is: 'The people of [insert place] deserve a [insert ludicrous and unrealistic airport or airline route]'.
Why do they deserve it? A serious question by the way.
Finally translate the CF proposition, which seems to be built on the notion of the good folk of Yorkshire 'deserving' it, into another county... let's say Wiltshire.
Perhaps the good folk of Wiltshire deserve an international airport to save themselves the inconvenience of having to go to LHR or BRS? Therefore I propose spending hundreds of millions of pounds on converting RAF Lyneham in to Swindon International. After all the people of Swindon have been exporting their hard earned cash down the motorway to LHR for far too long. Something must be done.
Have you not, even for a minute considered that Yorkshire actually benefits from its proximity to Manchester Airport and all that it offers?
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You started this thread which should have been a general discussion about the viability of CF but instead you have buried your head in the sand and either ignored challenges to your idea or dismissed them as Manc lovers scared of competition.
So I will ask again who will pay for it and what do you plan to do with LBA?
After all it's not Mabchester that will have an issue with CF but first and foremost your airport LBA.
You started this thread which should have been a general discussion about the viability of CF but instead you have buried your head in the sand and either ignored challenges to your idea or dismissed them as Manc lovers scared of competition.
So I will ask again who will pay for it and what do you plan to do with LBA?
After all it's not Mabchester that will have an issue with CF but first and foremost your airport LBA.
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An analogy worth quoting:
A former RAF airfield in a relatively rural location, reasonable road infrastructure not too far away, huge catchment to the west, nothing much to the east but with better alternatives in the region.........Church Fenton? No, I'm talking about Kent International rather than Yorkshire International. The same fate would await investors in 'YIA'.
Also, a much spouted mantra on prune generally is: 'The people of [insert place] deserve a [insert ludicrous and unrealistic airport or airline route]'.
Why do they deserve it? A serious question by the way.
Finally translate the CF proposition, which seems to be built on the notion of the good folk of Yorkshire 'deserving' it, into another county... let's say Wiltshire.
Perhaps the good folk of Wiltshire deserve an international airport to save themselves the inconvenience of having to go to LHR or BRS? Therefore I propose spending hundreds of millions of pounds on converting RAF Lyneham in to Swindon International. After all the people of Swindon have been exporting their hard earned cash down the motorway to LHR for far too long. Something must be done.
Have you not, even for a minute considered that Yorkshire actually benefits from its proximity to Manchester Airport and all that it offers?
A former RAF airfield in a relatively rural location, reasonable road infrastructure not too far away, huge catchment to the west, nothing much to the east but with better alternatives in the region.........Church Fenton? No, I'm talking about Kent International rather than Yorkshire International. The same fate would await investors in 'YIA'.
Also, a much spouted mantra on prune generally is: 'The people of [insert place] deserve a [insert ludicrous and unrealistic airport or airline route]'.
Why do they deserve it? A serious question by the way.
Finally translate the CF proposition, which seems to be built on the notion of the good folk of Yorkshire 'deserving' it, into another county... let's say Wiltshire.
Perhaps the good folk of Wiltshire deserve an international airport to save themselves the inconvenience of having to go to LHR or BRS? Therefore I propose spending hundreds of millions of pounds on converting RAF Lyneham in to Swindon International. After all the people of Swindon have been exporting their hard earned cash down the motorway to LHR for far too long. Something must be done.
Have you not, even for a minute considered that Yorkshire actually benefits from its proximity to Manchester Airport and all that it offers?
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Well don't post then! If you have a point to make about the debate then post. Why post just to be derogatory?
More Yorkshire people fly from MAN than from LBA - London wants and requires efficient airports so please tell me why the 5.3 million people in Yorkshire are denied one?
If we have to travel to Manchester for an airport that works then you in Reading should have to travel to Paris.
More Yorkshire people fly from MAN than from LBA - London wants and requires efficient airports so please tell me why the 5.3 million people in Yorkshire are denied one?
If we have to travel to Manchester for an airport that works then you in Reading should have to travel to Paris.
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An analogy worth quoting:
A former RAF airfield in a relatively rural location, reasonable road infrastructure not too far away, huge catchment to the west, nothing much to the east but with better alternatives in the region.........Church Fenton? No, I'm talking about Kent International rather than Yorkshire International. The same fate would await investors in 'YIA'.
Also, a much spouted mantra on prune generally is: 'The people of [insert place] deserve a [insert ludicrous and unrealistic airport or airline route]'.
Why do they deserve it? A serious question by the way.
Finally translate the CF proposition, which seems to be built on the notion of the good folk of Yorkshire 'deserving' it, into another county... let's say Wiltshire.
Perhaps the good folk of Wiltshire deserve an international airport to save themselves the inconvenience of having to go to LHR or BRS? Therefore I propose spending hundreds of millions of pounds on converting RAF Lyneham in to Swindon International. After all the people of Swindon have been exporting their hard earned cash down the motorway to LHR for far too long. Something must be done.
Have you not, even for a minute considered that Yorkshire actually benefits from its proximity to Manchester Airport and all that it offers?
A former RAF airfield in a relatively rural location, reasonable road infrastructure not too far away, huge catchment to the west, nothing much to the east but with better alternatives in the region.........Church Fenton? No, I'm talking about Kent International rather than Yorkshire International. The same fate would await investors in 'YIA'.
Also, a much spouted mantra on prune generally is: 'The people of [insert place] deserve a [insert ludicrous and unrealistic airport or airline route]'.
Why do they deserve it? A serious question by the way.
Finally translate the CF proposition, which seems to be built on the notion of the good folk of Yorkshire 'deserving' it, into another county... let's say Wiltshire.
Perhaps the good folk of Wiltshire deserve an international airport to save themselves the inconvenience of having to go to LHR or BRS? Therefore I propose spending hundreds of millions of pounds on converting RAF Lyneham in to Swindon International. After all the people of Swindon have been exporting their hard earned cash down the motorway to LHR for far too long. Something must be done.
Have you not, even for a minute considered that Yorkshire actually benefits from its proximity to Manchester Airport and all that it offers?
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If we have to travel to Manchester for an airport that works then you in Reading should have to travel to Paris.
Recalling what happened to the MAN thread when contributors were accused of essays and 'drivel' by a mod. even though the topics, while not just about airlines and routes, covered issues directly affecting the airport and its potential for growth such as rail connectivity, motorway access, infrastructure etc. I find it somewhat puzzling that over 150 posts - some long ones - have gone uncensored about a commercial airport that doesn't actually exist.
Airports aren't a fundamental human right or a reward for good behaviour. The sky won't fall in if there isn't an international airport within an hours drive.
They are businesses, and like any other business they have to operate in the real world with it's financial and competitive constraints. And sometimes, like any other business, through lack of planning, poor decision making or simple bad lack they hand their competitors a competitive advantage which can't be regained. That's the way it is. You can't turn back the clock so get used to it.
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I really do think that you have such a blinkered view that you can't actually see reason or logic.
Many people have responded to this thread with very well thought out reasons for why this won't happen. It doesn't mean that they think Yorkshire is undeserving of an airport or investment. However what they can see including myself is a fantasy that hasn't been thought through in any way.
Now you are claiming the population will grow to 6 million and that it will be private and public money funded and that maybe the current LBA owners will possibly be involved???!!!
There is so much nonsense in what you post that it's now pointless trying to engage in any way with you regarding CF.
I really do think that you have such a blinkered view that you can't actually see reason or logic.
Many people have responded to this thread with very well thought out reasons for why this won't happen. It doesn't mean that they think Yorkshire is undeserving of an airport or investment. However what they can see including myself is a fantasy that hasn't been thought through in any way.
Now you are claiming the population will grow to 6 million and that it will be private and public money funded and that maybe the current LBA owners will possibly be involved???!!!
There is so much nonsense in what you post that it's now pointless trying to engage in any way with you regarding CF.
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we've had our differences on LHR but on this one you are absolutely correct!!!
Yorkshire effectively has/had 4 airports Teeside, Leeds, Doncaster & Sheffield
Not one of them has shown real signs of success
The road & rail network to the south and to Manchester is just to good
we've had our differences on LHR but on this one you are absolutely correct!!!
Yorkshire effectively has/had 4 airports Teeside, Leeds, Doncaster & Sheffield
Not one of them has shown real signs of success
The road & rail network to the south and to Manchester is just to good
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I really do think that you have such a blinkered view that you can't actually see reason or logic.
Many people have responded to this thread with very well thought out reasons for why this won't happen. It doesn't mean that they think Yorkshire is undeserving of an airport or investment. However what they can see including myself is a fantasy that hasn't been thought through in any way.
Now you are claiming the population will grow to 6 million and that it will be private and public money funded and that maybe the current LBA owners will possibly be involved???!!!
There is so much nonsense in what you post that it's now pointless trying to engage in any way with you regarding CF.
I really do think that you have such a blinkered view that you can't actually see reason or logic.
Many people have responded to this thread with very well thought out reasons for why this won't happen. It doesn't mean that they think Yorkshire is undeserving of an airport or investment. However what they can see including myself is a fantasy that hasn't been thought through in any way.
Now you are claiming the population will grow to 6 million and that it will be private and public money funded and that maybe the current LBA owners will possibly be involved???!!!
There is so much nonsense in what you post that it's now pointless trying to engage in any way with you regarding CF.
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we've had our differences on LHR but on this one you are absolutely correct!!!
Yorkshire effectively has/had 4 airports Teeside, Leeds, Doncaster & Sheffield
Not one of them has shown real signs of success
The road & rail network to the south and to Manchester is just to good
we've had our differences on LHR but on this one you are absolutely correct!!!
Yorkshire effectively has/had 4 airports Teeside, Leeds, Doncaster & Sheffield
Not one of them has shown real signs of success
The road & rail network to the south and to Manchester is just to good