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trouble is you stop an express and it has knock-on effect all along the line.............. you need a good 10-15 minute slot to deaccelertate from ++100mph, get everyone off and on and then accelerate back to 100 mph
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The entrance to Leeds East Airport is 1.4 miles from Church Fenton Railway Station. How can this be convenient? You are going to need a shuttle bus to connect, along roads that are narrow, winding and not very well maintained.
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I read somewhere that there's a film studio on part of the site.
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I read somewhere that there's a film studio on part of the site. Yes there is it's in Hangar 1 , the one closest to the main gate , H2 is being converted into a new 'executive aircraft reception/terminal building' and H3 is for GA .
Operating business class B737's, or whatever, from a flying club airfield, well it's the stuff that movies are made of, Casino Royale being filmed at Dunsfold, Die Another Day at Manston blah blah blah.
I mean Silverjet tried it from a 'LON' airport, didn't Scottish Express try something similar from PIK? ... Established airport operations rather than flying club airfields? ... What next ... Passenger jet operations from grass strips?
Sure LBA has it's problems but despite all it's handicaps it has become a commercial success with public transport links to/from outside the terminal, sure it's never going to become another MAN or LON airport but it's only the nay sayer's suggesting that it has failed by not being so.
And I'm a southerner
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Since LBA has been mentioned I will answer again on this thread. London does not need a new airport site because it has 5 very successful and well located and connected airports (and if one was needed leavesden could never have been a suitable choice)- hence leavesden studios in the 90s getting started - completely opposite to Leeds city region that has a terribly located airport as regards tapping the huge Yorkshire catchment. The region has lost £Billions. Miles from motorway and main railway and viewed as inaccessible to millions of people from under the airport's nose. This is why there is huge passenger leakage higher than anywhere else in the country. The airport has a small runway that cannot handle modern aircraft and at 700ft AMSL is frequently subject to weather events. I don't intend to go over old ground with this and it doesn't matter whether you are Southern, Northern, Western or Eastern you just need a basic grasp of how moving the airport a few miles would more than double the passenger throughput. Bridgepoint have given you spotters (welcome again to pprune) a big clue - 'a new airport wont be needed for decades'.
We need an airport that can keep a Cork route [/30+ other routes] due to its location not lose it again after another year of pointless trying.
We need an airport that can keep a Cork route [/30+ other routes] due to its location not lose it again after another year of pointless trying.
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The airport has a small runway that cannot handle modern aircraft
If you are, then I think your credibility is even more shot to pieces than it already was.
(Oh wait, perhaps you were referring to Church Fenton, in which case I apologise unreservedly
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Leeds city region that has a terribly located airport as regards tapping the huge Yorkshire catchment. The region has lost £Billions. Miles from motorway and main railway and viewed as inaccessible to millions of people from under the airport's nose
So how is LBA at such a disadvantage, being so far from a motorway and a main railway, when compared to these airports:
CWL
BRS
NQY
LEQ
LYX
HUY
MME
NCL
DND
ABZ
INV
WIC
EMA
LPL
HLY
BLK
PIK
CAL
SEN
NWI
And for how many years did LHR become one of the world's busiest airports without anything like a main rail connection?
Way too funny
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You will see 777 painted on the concrete but none has ever landed. A fully laden PIA approaching in a 40kt crosswind / 150m RVR to hit 6500ft multiple times per week! No thanks. Especially when half of Dewsbury / Huddersfield has hopped on the motorway / fast train direct to MAN.
Only when spotters are honest with themselves will they start to understand why this development is so necessary.
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This is funny
So how is LBA at such a disadvantage, being so far from a motorway and a main railway, when compared to these airports:
CWL
BRS
NQY
LEQ
LYX
HUY
MME
NCL
DND
ABZ
INV
WIC
EMA
LPL
HLY
BLK
PIK
CAL
SEN
NWI
And for how many years did LHR become one of the world's busiest airports without anything like a main rail connection?
Way too funny
So how is LBA at such a disadvantage, being so far from a motorway and a main railway, when compared to these airports:
CWL
BRS
NQY
LEQ
LYX
HUY
MME
NCL
DND
ABZ
INV
WIC
EMA
LPL
HLY
BLK
PIK
CAL
SEN
NWI
And for how many years did LHR become one of the world's busiest airports without anything like a main rail connection?
Way too funny
The reason is simple (and has been explained on this thread many times); If you control your catchment area you do not necessarily have to be well connected to be a roaring success. For example NCL and BRS - not particularly well connected by road and rail but completely control their geographic population catchment area.
LBA does not control its catchment area - Leeds city region and Yorkshire in general is thee most pilfered of passengers area in the country. If you have fierce and efficient competition all around your catchment area - you absolutely cannot locate your poorly functioning airport in the wrong location and away from the main arteries of motorway and fast rail. In effect you actively encourage your own catchment's population to use a competition airport. That is exactly what has been happening for 40 years+.
If you set off on public transport from Leeds in and around the morning and evening rush hour you can be at MAN in the time it takes you to get to Yeadon on the bus. That is an absolutely catastrophic failure when there will soon be 6 million people in Yorkshire and 9 million people in Yorkshire and the North East who require 21st Century access to a fully functioning airport.
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I would have thought having "fierce and efficient competition all around your catchment area" was an excellent thing for passengers within that catchment area.
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What is genuinely funny is that your immaturity (in your latest guise) shows that you have very little knowledge about civil aviation.
He states that a B777 has never been thru LBA but neglects to mention how many B777's are likely to pass thru Church Fenton.
He complains of a (short) 6,500ft at LBA but neglects to mention that Church Fenton only has 5,600ft.
Just a guesstimate but probably 50% of the UK's commercial airports cannot accommodate B777's at optimum weights so pray tell how does that put LBA at such a disadvantage and justify the expenditure of developing Church Fenton?
Only when spotters are honest with themselves
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"For example NCL and BRS - not particularly well connected by road and rail"
ermmm.... so that would not be the NCL that has a Metro station in the terminal that connects directly to 58 stations (maximum 1 change) across Tyneside and Wearside - and sits right on the main Newcastle -Edinburgh main road about 3 miles north of the Newcastle Western By-pass then??
ermmm.... so that would not be the NCL that has a Metro station in the terminal that connects directly to 58 stations (maximum 1 change) across Tyneside and Wearside - and sits right on the main Newcastle -Edinburgh main road about 3 miles north of the Newcastle Western By-pass then??
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If you set off on public transport from Leeds in and around the morning and evening rush hour you can be at MAN in the time it takes you to get to Yeadon on the bus.
On Wednesday 28 September, entering a departure time of 0800, by public transport, including foot transfers, from Leeds, West Yorkshire to:
1. Leeds/Bradford Airport: 0817-0904, 47 minutes
2. Manchester Airport: 0815-0939, 1 hour 24 minutes
3. LS24 9SE (a.k.a. Leeds East Airport), 0843-1009, 1 hour 26 minutes
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Unless a railway station is actually at the airport then people just do not use them.
East Midlands Parkway has seen very poor passenger numbers, so few people were using it to get to the Airport that the bus service between the Station and Airport was Axed.
East Midlands Parkway has seen very poor passenger numbers, so few people were using it to get to the Airport that the bus service between the Station and Airport was Axed.