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To start with an extended runway and a terminal might help but hey ho no plans yet so years away
for an airport that just won`t work and then you have to talk to
Yorkshire airlines about their flights to Scarborough and Cleethorpes
for an airport that just won`t work and then you have to talk to
Yorkshire airlines about their flights to Scarborough and Cleethorpes
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LA you have been asked before and you don't provide answers so I will try again.
Who is paying for the not inconsiderable amount of funding required to turn Leeds East into an airport?
What do you think Leeds Bradford will do or are they just going to close and let a competitor open right on their doorstep?
How are you going to convince the airlines to move there?
Services that Leeds Bradford had that haven't lasted dont appear to have been stopped because the airport was on a hill etc. Why would Leeds East be different?
Who is paying for the not inconsiderable amount of funding required to turn Leeds East into an airport?
What do you think Leeds Bradford will do or are they just going to close and let a competitor open right on their doorstep?
How are you going to convince the airlines to move there?
Services that Leeds Bradford had that haven't lasted dont appear to have been stopped because the airport was on a hill etc. Why would Leeds East be different?
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Please Don't encourage him to reply just let him wonder off to his fabeled airport eating his favourite meal of fish n chips and day dreaming to his hearts content.
I think it's best to ignore his ridiculous posts although as entertaining as they are!
Please Don't encourage him to reply just let him wonder off to his fabeled airport eating his favourite meal of fish n chips and day dreaming to his hearts content.
I think it's best to ignore his ridiculous posts although as entertaining as they are!
Calling Church Fenton an airport at present is a stretch, although there are plans for airline services and it has accepted airliners in the past (albeit pleasure flights to airshows).
Also, it is true that LBA is a constrained, imperfect site and if starting from scratch Church Fenton would probably be a better location.
But we aren't starting from scratch and many people have challenged the ideas put forward by LA - most recently by Mr Simpson.
Personally I find the "Yorkshire deserves better" rhetoric a bit grating, but the future of Leeds East is an interesting topic deserving discussion and it is 'disappointing' the level of abuse this thread has descended to.
Also, it is true that LBA is a constrained, imperfect site and if starting from scratch Church Fenton would probably be a better location.
But we aren't starting from scratch and many people have challenged the ideas put forward by LA - most recently by Mr Simpson.
Personally I find the "Yorkshire deserves better" rhetoric a bit grating, but the future of Leeds East is an interesting topic deserving discussion and it is 'disappointing' the level of abuse this thread has descended to.
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I quite agree. There is a serious discussion to be had about airport provision West of the Pennines. MAN will, I believe, develop an extensive longhaul network, but there may be a viable business case for a Yorkshire airport operating European services on a larger scale than presently available. And to operate at scale, you need mass transit access. You only have to read the Luton thread to see the travails of trying to run a substantial airport without it.
Obviously, Church Fenton is the best located for this. Access could be created to the railway, which has regular services N towards Newcastle and to Scarborough, and S to Leeds, Sheffield, and via Selby to Hull. Only Doncaster is missing and a junction could be provided.
Furthermore its runway could be easily extended NE to a more than adequate length before reaching the east coast main line.
BUT the bill for this would be huge, and the cost of buying out LBA would be only a small part of this. After all the present owners paid £150million nine years ago; I have no idea what would be a fair price now. AND, if HS2 gets built, the line through CF will become the main line.
This is what regional transport planning is about. It is not individual businesses in competition, it is trying to work out what is in the best interests of the thousands of businesses and millions of people who live West of the Pennines.
So please stop slagging off each other. There is a serious discussion to be had.
Obviously, Church Fenton is the best located for this. Access could be created to the railway, which has regular services N towards Newcastle and to Scarborough, and S to Leeds, Sheffield, and via Selby to Hull. Only Doncaster is missing and a junction could be provided.
Furthermore its runway could be easily extended NE to a more than adequate length before reaching the east coast main line.
BUT the bill for this would be huge, and the cost of buying out LBA would be only a small part of this. After all the present owners paid £150million nine years ago; I have no idea what would be a fair price now. AND, if HS2 gets built, the line through CF will become the main line.
This is what regional transport planning is about. It is not individual businesses in competition, it is trying to work out what is in the best interests of the thousands of businesses and millions of people who live West of the Pennines.
So please stop slagging off each other. There is a serious discussion to be had.
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I believe you mean East of the Pennines.
There has been attempts at serious discussion and whilst I agree if we were starting with a blank [page there is merit in Leeds East. But we aren't, to achieve what people asipre to then probably both LBA and DSA would need to close and neither of the owners of these airports are likely to agree to that.
The North of England has many priorities in transport infrastructure, I for example would like to see an upgrade on the Calder Valley rail line which would be a god send here in Halifax.
There needs to be a motorway connection between Manchester and Sheffield.
I have named only two projects there which would be much higher up and investment agenda.
There has been attempts at serious discussion and whilst I agree if we were starting with a blank [page there is merit in Leeds East. But we aren't, to achieve what people asipre to then probably both LBA and DSA would need to close and neither of the owners of these airports are likely to agree to that.
The North of England has many priorities in transport infrastructure, I for example would like to see an upgrade on the Calder Valley rail line which would be a god send here in Halifax.
There needs to be a motorway connection between Manchester and Sheffield.
I have named only two projects there which would be much higher up and investment agenda.
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Quick heads up, although they are a somewhat new development of only 60 years or so, I think last time I checked there was something called the M62 and the M1? Might be wrong though.......
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That would the M1 that goes from Leeds to London and the M62 from Liverpool-Manchester-Leeds-Hull.
Look at a map I think you will find neither links Manchester and Sheffield directly. I would suggest you try the M62/M1 routing and maybe will realise why it is far from ideal for travel between the two cities.
Look at a map I think you will find neither links Manchester and Sheffield directly. I would suggest you try the M62/M1 routing and maybe will realise why it is far from ideal for travel between the two cities.
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Oops about the East West!
You may well be right. I don't live down your way. It's why you need open discussion with decent data and costings so that people can come to evidence-based conclusions as to what investment would most benefit the whole community to the East of the Pennines.
You may well be right. I don't live down your way. It's why you need open discussion with decent data and costings so that people can come to evidence-based conclusions as to what investment would most benefit the whole community to the East of the Pennines.
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I believe you mean East of the Pennines.
There has been attempts at serious discussion and whilst I agree if we were starting with a blank [page there is merit in Leeds East. But we aren't, to achieve what people asipre to then probably both LBA and DSA would need to close and neither of the owners of these airports are likely to agree to that.
The North of England has many priorities in transport infrastructure, I for example would like to see an upgrade on the Calder Valley rail line which would be a god send here in Halifax.
There needs to be a motorway connection between Manchester and Sheffield.
I have named only two projects there which would be much higher up and investment agenda.
There has been attempts at serious discussion and whilst I agree if we were starting with a blank [page there is merit in Leeds East. But we aren't, to achieve what people asipre to then probably both LBA and DSA would need to close and neither of the owners of these airports are likely to agree to that.
The North of England has many priorities in transport infrastructure, I for example would like to see an upgrade on the Calder Valley rail line which would be a god send here in Halifax.
There needs to be a motorway connection between Manchester and Sheffield.
I have named only two projects there which would be much higher up and investment agenda.
LBA and DSA would not 'need' to close at all in exactly the same that Teesside doesn't 'need' to close. It is called solving the problem with the best answer not any old answer. Having too many airports is the worst possible answer to the problem -it creates problems not solves them and hence massive passenger leakage. 1 person on a flight to Belfast clearly shows this. Free market forces just like anywhere else in Europe. Not only that but you are NOT able to say what is 'likely' as you are completely in the dark as to what has potentially been agreed in the long term between certain parties.
Many people who post on here (including the vitriol) have a huge vested interest in Yorkshire and the North East continuing to massively fail and not make use of the gigantic potential.
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For 40 years the North West have been grinning like the Cheshire cat at absolutely abject civil aviation transport failure within Yorkshire that has propelled Manchester airport skyward. Abject scandalous failure.
Of course Manchester airport/National govt. would love 1 million people in Sheffield to be able to get to MAN quicker but those people should be able to use 1 sensibly located and functioning airport within Yorkshire - And it is the responsibility of politicians to provide it. This is why Britain is slowly being divided up into the haves and have nots.
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Is this a 'war of the roses' thing whereas the people of Yorkshire actually object to travelling/flying from/to Lancashire? ... Where else in England do a population demand for a new airport solely because they object to travelling outside of their county?
Is there a requirement for a new 'super airport' in the north that is likely to impact upon other airport's businesses such as EMA, LBA, MAN, HUY, DSA, MME and NCL?
Airports may be comparable to airlines whereas it seems Europe and UK are in an age of 'only the strong survive', it seems gone are the days of local airlines such as Brymon (Devon & Cornwall), Capital (Yorkshire), Air Wales (South Wales), Metropolitan (Bournemouth), Air Kilroe (Manchester), Gill Air (North East), Birmingham Executive (Birmingham), Air Chaos (Scotland) etc. etc. etc.
Likewise such commercial aerodromes as Manston, Penzance, Tresco, Plymouth, Filton, Portmouth, Ipswich, Sheffield and Hatfield have closed whilst others such as Tees-Side, Swansea, Blackpool and Coventry might be considered to be in intensive care.
MAN serves the north very well and has done so for decades past, from MAN one can fly to/from pretty much all points north, south, east and west, there is no way that any 'new kid on the block' northern airport can possibly hope to encroach on MAN's infrastructure, MAN might be considered the 'supermarket' and all the others 'corner shops'.
To upgrade Church Fenton to a 'corner shop' of any worth it is going to need so much money spending on it it would need government subsidies and/or assistance for runway extension(s), terminal building(s), rail station, main road access to name but a few and on the list of things to do I doubt that developing a regional airport that only a minority are calling for figures very highly for the government.
Obviously, Church Fenton is the best located for this. Access could be created to the railway, which has regular services N towards Newcastle and to Scarborough, and S to Leeds, Sheffield, and via Selby to Hull. Only Doncaster is missing and a junction could be provided.
Furthermore its runway could be easily extended NE to a more than adequate length before reaching the east coast main line.
Furthermore its runway could be easily extended NE to a more than adequate length before reaching the east coast main line.
Airports may be comparable to airlines whereas it seems Europe and UK are in an age of 'only the strong survive', it seems gone are the days of local airlines such as Brymon (Devon & Cornwall), Capital (Yorkshire), Air Wales (South Wales), Metropolitan (Bournemouth), Air Kilroe (Manchester), Gill Air (North East), Birmingham Executive (Birmingham), Air Chaos (Scotland) etc. etc. etc.
Likewise such commercial aerodromes as Manston, Penzance, Tresco, Plymouth, Filton, Portmouth, Ipswich, Sheffield and Hatfield have closed whilst others such as Tees-Side, Swansea, Blackpool and Coventry might be considered to be in intensive care.
MAN serves the north very well and has done so for decades past, from MAN one can fly to/from pretty much all points north, south, east and west, there is no way that any 'new kid on the block' northern airport can possibly hope to encroach on MAN's infrastructure, MAN might be considered the 'supermarket' and all the others 'corner shops'.
To upgrade Church Fenton to a 'corner shop' of any worth it is going to need so much money spending on it it would need government subsidies and/or assistance for runway extension(s), terminal building(s), rail station, main road access to name but a few and on the list of things to do I doubt that developing a regional airport that only a minority are calling for figures very highly for the government.
Having too many airports is the worst possible answer to the problem
it is the responsibility of politicians to provide it.
I doubt that developing a regional airport that only a minority are calling for figures very highly for the government.
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For 40 years the North West have been grinning like the Cheshire cat at absolutely abject civil aviation transport failure within Yorkshire that has propelled Manchester airport skyward. Abject scandalous failure.
The rest is history and it's going to take more than a disused ex military WWII airfield somewhere in Yorkshire to change that history!
Don't see how getting on a train for 1.5 hours to CF serves Newcastle any better than getting on a train for 3 hours to MAN - in that time you could be in AMS, CDG or DUB and then onwards to a range of destinations it would take CF decades to replicate.
Adding the North East to the motorway network to the South, dualling the A69 and A66 to the West and the A1 to the North, upgrading the rail network to the west, upgrading and expanding the Metro, improving access to the ports on the Tees, Wear and Tyne are all better uses of public money.
Adding the North East to the motorway network to the South, dualling the A69 and A66 to the West and the A1 to the North, upgrading the rail network to the west, upgrading and expanding the Metro, improving access to the ports on the Tees, Wear and Tyne are all better uses of public money.
It was aimed at the drivel that you spout LA can`t you handle a bit of sarcasm just like you are never wrong.
Church Fenton is a lovely airfield in a lovely place but it`s going to loose it`s charm when the owner sees that there is money in them fields so the bricks will arrive in the the tons and that once beautifull land will turn into a very large housing estate with if your lucky a school and a busy road for everyone to go to work and fly out on holiday from LBA and MAN
Church Fenton is a lovely airfield in a lovely place but it`s going to loose it`s charm when the owner sees that there is money in them fields so the bricks will arrive in the the tons and that once beautifull land will turn into a very large housing estate with if your lucky a school and a busy road for everyone to go to work and fly out on holiday from LBA and MAN
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In reality there is no serious discussion to be had east of the Pennines etc, and only theorists can believe there is. Why??..in a word money, or lack of it. For this reason any new airport is a complete, absolute and utter non starter. This part of the world requires much inward investment in transport infrastructure just for many people to get to work every day. Thats how it is around here and I very much doubt that anything will improve anytime soon.
Just to imagine, for a moment, anyone got to throwing squillions at a new airport, the locals protests would be heard the length and breadth of the country. A new airport we do NOT need, but just fixing the
potholes would be a start.
Chaps, you are spot on, the owner has very clearly nailed his colours to the mast.
Just to imagine, for a moment, anyone got to throwing squillions at a new airport, the locals protests would be heard the length and breadth of the country. A new airport we do NOT need, but just fixing the
potholes would be a start.Chaps, you are spot on, the owner has very clearly nailed his colours to the mast.