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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 00:48
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Except its clearly not correct as I showed already that TK operate the A332 to CGK.
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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 14:30
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Manchester City to welcome Chinese visitors with Etihad stadium tours in Mandarin - Manchester Evening News

Reference to Shanghai is buried in this item!
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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 14:56
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Except its clearly not correct as I showed already that TK operate the A332 to CGK.
It was operated by the A333 in the past.
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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 16:23
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https://www.visitbritain.org/markets/china

The Visit Britain website site shows of course no reference to Manchester flights !

Surely something that Manchester Airport now needs to challenge robustly. ... or am I missing something?
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Old 22nd Jan 2016, 20:18
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It was operated by the A333 in the past.
Did they switch it because it was running with payload penalties? It's an extreme distance for an older A333 (I'm sure the 242 ton versions could do it no problem).
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 01:20
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CX to daily - delayed 'til 2017?

According to the South China Morning Post, proposed frequency increase to daily has been put back to 2017.
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 06:51
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Cathay

I don't think they have the airframes to add frequency this year amid the other additions to the network. The A350 which was possibly earmarked to boost MAN is instead being used to launch Gatwick later this year. Whilst disappointing, I think we can rest assured that MAN-HKG is a strong route with which Cathay are well-pleased, and that additional capacity will come on it before too long. There's no doubt an issue with the crewing as the article sets out, there have been a few spectacular delays to CX357/8 over the past few months which may be a sign of the difficulties being experienced, and the need for more slack in the rostering.
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 16:31
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I think it's a shame that A350 has had to be postponed, but also this obviously ruins a chance of a daily service for I while. I think the MAN-HKG route has proven a good, strong one. It also proves that routes to key markets, like HKG, can work well at MAN too and not all traffic has to originate from LHR to be successful.

On another note I was also thinking that with the success of Norwegian down at Gatwick, could Norwegian operate a long-haul base in MAN. I think they could successfully operate to JFK, LAX, MCO, LAS, BKK and many others to compete with the likes of Virgin or provide MAN with new needed links like LAX & BKK. What are your thoughts?
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 18:31
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I think Norwegian would undermine the embryonic Thomas Cook long-haul programme. TCX (MT) - our own Manchester-based airline who are steadily growing and developing a promising network to mainline cities in the USA with feed from Flybe and others at the home end. Norwegian would just dilute that. In time there is no reason why TCX could not build on the USA network and open services to BKK, JNB etc.
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 18:35
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Shame about "lack" of aaircraft re Cathay BUT if they really wanted to lets not forget they could have gone daily !

They chose to redeploy to LGW "despite" what we are led to believe are outstanding figures.
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 19:48
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I think Norwegian would undermine the embryonic Thomas Cook long-haul programme. TCX (MT) - our own Manchester-based airline who are steadily growing and developing a promising network to mainline cities in the USA with feed from Flybe and others at the home end. Norwegian would just dilute that. In time there is no reason why TCX could not build on the USA network and open services to BKK, JNB etc.
Agreed, would much rather keep and develop TCX than gain Norwegian.
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 19:50
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Norwegian

I'm not saying I don't want TCX to grow because I think they are doing well but I was just 'proposing'. I understand that Thomas Cook have built up a good long-haul network in Manchester, but I think that Thomas Cook are at a disadvantage at attracting US originating pax from their destinations like JFK, MIA and LAX & BOS to come. They also focus heavily on the leisure market, selling fly-drives and package holidays to the US. I just think the Norwegian could work better and also deliver cheap fares, although Thomas Cook are cheaper than current competitors. I would definitely like to see Thomas Cook grow even more at MAN as you said to destinations like BKK & JNB, but I think Norwegian would perform better.
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 21:37
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I think Norwegian would undermine the embryonic Thomas Cook long-haul programme.
They could potentially destroy it. Thomas Cook Airlines behind the scenes is best described as chaotic. They're not a a loco like easyJet and moving away from package tours like Thomson. They're sandwiched in a niche space and branching out into new markets. The likeliehood is Norwegain sit backand watch them to do the legwork to prove this works then come in later to an established market and do it better, stealing share and groth from the incumbent. DU can offer an aeroplane that is a generation more fuel efficient and going forward a feed from short haul, this is where they're at now, at Gatters.

What is fair to say I think is that Norwegian has the potential to do way more at MAN in this market than TCX could ever accomplish, they have an enromous economy of scale and a very aggresive growth plan. All those shiny B789s have to go somewhere.
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 21:46
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 21:50
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Norwegian would probably do well at MAN but there would be casualties, and I would prefer to keep and develop what we already have, against a backdrop of fierce competition from LHR and increasingly from DUB.

Our North American services have proved a little fragile in the past but there are signs that the N-registered carriers are slowly building their offer, and Thomas Cook may be leisure focussed but are honing their premium-economy product, destinations, frequencies, and UK connectivity. Now is not the time to throw a fox into the hen coop.

Gatwick have much less to lose with Norwegian setting up a long-haul base, most of the US carriers having long since moved to Heathrow.

Random question - does Morten Harket or other members of A-Ha feature on the tail of a Norwegian aircraft? I don't think Thomas Cook will be singing 'Take On Me'.
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Old 25th Jan 2016, 22:20
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Old 26th Jan 2016, 08:13
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Random answer, I am reliably informed that you have to be dead to feature on the tails at Norwegian
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Old 26th Jan 2016, 09:09
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https://www.norwegian.com/uk/about/o...il-fin-heroes/


They are all dead.
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Old 26th Jan 2016, 11:52
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There's no doubt an issue with the crewing as the article sets out, there have been a few spectacular delays to CX357/8 over the past few months which may be a sign of the difficulties being experienced, and the need for more slack in the rostering.
To be fair to CX the lengthy delays ex-HKG are out of their control, it's the morons in the Chinese Military / PLAAF that keep coming up with ridiculous air space restrictions. It's an increasing problem for CX and HKG that is only going to get worse unless someone points out it's no long the 1970's.

On my last CX357 inbound to MAN when I got to the gate the ground staff were encouraging any JCL pax or shiny card holders to return to The Wing to await further info. We eventually left a couple of hours late behind both BA flights that I watched board from the QF lounge hours earlier and the poor sods on the Dragonair flight to PEK that had been on board since 7pm. I was chatting to the FO (who was from very close to MAN) shortly before landing and he said the Chinese keep rejecting flight plans to northern Europe out of the blue. He had a three hour wait on a day flight to LHR a couple of weeks before. He said CX had offered to fly further north over Korea and around that way but they still weren't having it.
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Old 26th Jan 2016, 13:54
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Thomas Cook do have one thing going for them which is a brand name and a significant degree of repeat custom.

Ask 100 punters up here if they have heard of TC and I suspect the answer will be 60%+.

Same question of Norwegian and I doubt it would be more than 10% if that. .....

I'm actually staggered they do so well out of Gatwick!
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