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Old 27th Jan 2015, 14:51
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A completely unnecessary and inaccurate article in today's Northern Echo, the airport has suitable facilities to cater for the number of passengers it currently has, with more being sought. It sounds like this guy travelled through the airport just before the new Cafe opened in departures and for whatever reason it's taken until now for the Echo to print it.

Durham Tees Valley Airport rejects passenger's 'total lack of facilities' claim (From The Northern Echo)
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 16:33
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Perhaps the airport should of done like all of the other airports who don't charge a fee and instead just stick it on to some other charge or cost in stealth.
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 16:45
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Beafer, the article is most definitely not factual that's why I chose to criticise it, and don't even get me started on the type of people that post those ridiculous comments.
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 17:53
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Legally the current DVTA is a "licensed aerodrome", which it needs to be to accept public transport passenger flights. In this respect neither and airport or airfield exists.

If flying is to continue it remains an aerodrome (for local planning legislation purposes), question is whether it remains licensed, or becomes unlicensed and accordingly restricts movements to GA which do not require a licensed aerodrome and training (by aircraft with a weight 2730KG or less).

I hope that things work out at DTVA. I have seen too many Master Plans which were mere pie in the sky with no robust business case, on occasions to keep Local Planning Authorities sweet to permit partial non-aviation development on the site.

As time passes a case to support a position that the aerodrome is no longer viable as a business is the prelude to cessation of flying and re-development of the whole site.
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 18:46
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Question Levy

sorry guys,I've forgotten...After the previous articles..what exactly does the 6 levy go towards.
It's no secret the facilities are on a par with the worst of airports.
Not sure what can be done..its a catch 22 situation

No flights=no passengers=no facilities=no hope? That's the aviation side of the airport...however the master plan when up and running,may,just may, provide an aviation future?
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 11:30
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Came into Newcastle on the first KLM this morning. Airport was open with plenty of ploughs keeping things clear and safe. Sat in the A1 in the roadworks and was cursing my decision but got home at a sensible time in the end. Checked DTV when I got in and noticed the airport is snow closed and that the 1533 diverted to Newcastle. Proved I made the right decision to stick with Newcastle at this time of year. Such a shame I think like this but how many other regular travellers do the same?
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 13:55
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Exclamation KLM

just hope the relationship between the airports major operator and the owners is strong.
Late out again this morning due airport snow clearance and the subsequent connection problems in Amsterdam .this followed by diversion to newcastle for same reasons.

It's all very well courting klm but surely a professional airport service must be provided in order for the relationship to prosper??:ugh

I know it costs money to provide equipment ma power de iced etc..maybe if peel spent some of the 6 passenger tax on these problems people would be more understanding??
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 13:55
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Do we know how much snow there was? Beafer might report from walking the Alsation. Newcastle fares better being closer to the sea and obviously has more staff and equipment to clear the snow. Perhaps its too much of an investment for so few days of the year.
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 14:12
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I suspect you are right, it would be too expensive to maintain the facilities for the few days. I'm not knocking the airport for clearly making an economic judgement call. By the same token though, if that investment isn't made, they can't expect Jo Public to take the risk during the worst of the winter when an alternative is just a short drive away.
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 15:26
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It's luck of the draw, even Manchester couldn't remain open today, as N707ZS said Newcastle may well have less than us? There are times when the situation is reversed and Newcastle is shut whilst we are open.

Half the time the Amsterdam flight gets delayed or cancelled due to snow it's at the Amsterdam end anyway.

Both an issue and a non-issue at the same time.
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 16:55
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Suppose you could lose a white dog in the snow!
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 20:10
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More News

I see some more news has appeared - a new Microlight school is opening up and there is a one off charter to Lapland by Newmarket Holidays - flying to Pajala in Sweden! All on the airports website.
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 21:43
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Blimey - a microlight school, and I thought the parachute school was a bit odd. Good luck to them for giving it a go.

A parachute centre and a microlight school does seem to be an odd way to sell houses though - presumably they'll be at their busiest when people want to be out in their gardens.
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 08:14
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SWBKCB has forecast it about right I would say. The bloody awful racket that the Para Drop aircraft makes ruined just about every nice weekend since they began operating. And now they are talking about Microlights. Representions have been made to the Airport regarding the noise pollution caused by the Para Drop aircraft but has fallen on deaf ears. There was a distinct cheer around our neighbourhood when the news filtered out that the aircraft had been damaged recently.
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 10:02
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Thumbs down Fire cover

Think the notam means that the airport "man" up purely for the schedules and the rest of the time the guys will be doing other duties?
Suppose that's one of the reasons DTV doesn't get any diversions of note any more as the cover cant be relied upon and so airlines don't plan to come?
Just another obstacle in the path of airlines

DTV the most welcoming airport..not!

The snowtams are the usual ones pushed out by airports,again though with only a couple of guys and a clapped out tractor don't expect miracles!
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 13:30
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Originally Posted by Mike Tee
SWBKCB has forecast it about right I would say. The bloody awful racket that the Para Drop aircraft makes ruined just about every nice weekend since they began operating. And now they are talking about Microlights. Representions have been made to the Airport regarding the noise pollution caused by the Para Drop aircraft but has fallen on deaf ears. There was a distinct cheer around our neighbourhood when the news filtered out that the aircraft had been damaged recently.
Is this guy taking the or what???!!! It's an AIRPORT! Don't like aircraft noise then hard luck pal because unless you've lived next to it for over 74 years you ain't got a case!

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Suppose that's one of the reasons DTV doesn't get any diversions of note any more as the cover cant be relied upon and so airlines don't plan to come?
Nothing to do with this! We didn't get diversions even when we had the cover and it's nothing to do with the airports it's because the airlines choose to divert to a base where they have an engineering presence.

Originally Posted by Highwideandugly
DTV the most welcoming airport..not!
Once perhaps, but it's quite obvious they're doing something about it!
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 14:45
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Let me try and explain. I haven,t quite reached the 74 years living next to the airport which you deem necessary to be able to be form an opinion regarding what I and many others find to be an annoying intrusion to our quality of life. I "have" lived next to the airport for well over fifty years and in all that time the only other reason we have had cause to complain was when the Police operated the "Islander" with it's very noisy piston engines. Lots of us where regularly woken in the dead of night by that aircraft droning around at low level, flaps deployed and high power settings. Thankfully that is a thing of the past. The "normal" airport movements of departures, arrivals and circuit training of all types from club light aircraft to passenger jet transports are not a problem as their noise "footprint" and duration is generally quite short.
The Para Drop aircraft operation can in no way be described as normal for an operational "Airport" and is more suited to a rural flying club. The aircraft used is noted as being particularly noisy and the practice of climbing to "drop height" in the overhead before a rapid descent, re-load and repeat the process is intrusive and annoying.
I wonder just what ATC think of the possible operation of Microlights from an "International Airport" in controlled airspace !!.
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 16:13
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Good try ??

It seems to me that Peel are trying very hard to give the impression that they actually care about the airport...without actually doing much at all and certainly not putting their hand in their pocket!

New Ga policy
Para school
Microlight training
A master plan


Not much input Methinks and certainly not much income.

Beefier may well be right..10 years and a lucrative housing estate in place.
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 16:27
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Doesn't it make you think that they are trying to do something for once, people have moaned on hear nothing is happening, when we do get the first green shoots we get the NIMBYs and knockers back again.

I personally would like to see more of the executive jet work and hopefully some sort of airliner type business which has been promised for some time.
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 16:52
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I've obviously not made myself clear, so I’ll explain again.

My problem is not with increasing activity at DTVA and have said a number of times that the airport needs to diversify and attract other, preferably aviation related business - think Kemble, Staverton, Hurn, Norwich.

I also agree that anybody who buys a house near an airport deserves everything they get.

However that isn’t the case here – we’re not talking about existing householders, but about selling houses that haven’t yet been built.

Here’s how it might pan out

House Buyer: “what’s that noise?”

Estate Agent: “that’s just the parachute dropping/microlight training aircraft”

House Buyer: “Oh, and how often do they fly?”

Estate Agent: “Only on nice day’s at the weekend and the odd summer evening”

House Buyer: “So just when I want to be outside in my nice new garden?”

Now, will their response be option 1, “Oh good, where’s my Binoculars?” or Option 2 – “Thank you, but where’s next on my list?”


Again, and keeping it simple, a large part of the Peel Masterplan rests on selling land near the terminal for housing, and using the profit from that to fund the other areas of the plan.

Another part of the plan is diversifying the aviation activities at the airport and this they’ve done with the Parachuting and now the microlights – as others have said, that these can hardly be major money makers, can't have cost a lot to bring in and might well have an impact on the sale of the land which then impacts on the rest of the plan. Just looks a bit odd.

You can be sure developers will be using it to knock down the price Peel get, as they'll be saying it might put off future house buyers
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