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I have just been looking up flights LGW to JFK with Norwegian through skyscanner and Opodo and it says flight operated by hemus air after a google all I can see is hemus air is part or or something to do with air Bulgaria or fly Bulgaria I'm very confused
Can anyone shine light on my confusion
Can anyone shine light on my confusion
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I suggest you scroll up to #45
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I have just been looking up flights LGW to JFK with Norwegian through skyscanner and Opodo and it says flight operated by hemus air after a google all I can see is hemus air is part or or something to do with air Bulgaria or fly Bulgaria I'm very confused
Can anyone shine light on my confusion
Can anyone shine light on my confusion
The Norwegian long-haul operation is a separate AOC from the short-haul. That means a separate 2-letter code. If you go to the IATA airline code lookup page you'll find that DU has now been assigned to Norwegian long-haul.
It appears that the Opodo/Expedia/etc systems are simply not yet up to date.
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I did, it's a "wait and see." Irish registered aircraft on a Norwegian AOC with European crews? What happened to the Asian adventure?
I am not sure whether they intend to operate LGW as two operations or one single one. Surely it makes more sense to have all crew at LGW 737 and 787 licensed.
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I did, it's a "wait and see." Irish registered aircraft on a Norwegian AOC with European crews? What happened to the Asian adventure
I think thats a winter adventure i might be wrong, or are they getting more dreamliners. Either way its good for punters and crew employment so good luck to them they might need it
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The 737 and the 787 will be operated under two different AOCs - actually the 737 operation will be under two different AOCs - one Norwegian AOC that will cover the Scandinavian bases and one EU AOC that will cover the other European bases. This is partly done due to traffic rights.
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Skipness 1E, if what SR71 said in the thread you are linking to is representative of the knowledge there, I would say it is only at best mere assumptions. Norwegian has not announced any flights between BKK and LGW. With that, one can say a link to Thailand is broken since one need minimum six long haul legs before returning to base. A much stronger link will exist between LGW and USA though, and since Norwegian has said they're setting up a US base (most probably in Florida and/or New York) - a safe bet will be that cheap labour from the US (compared with Scandinavian) will be mostly used on flights from Fort Lauderdale, Oakland, Los Angeles, Sanford and parts of the New York JFK flights. There may also be a possibility for UK based crew (again such crew will be much cheaper than similar Scandinavian crew).
Contrary to most other here I have had two flights with DY's Dreamliners. With that I also know a bit more about the country mix of the Bangkok based cabin crew. On these two flights around half the crew came from Scandinavian countries (mostly senior crew) and the rest was of Asian origin.
Now, for me it is interesting to know why Skipness 1E has made it to his mission to reveal Norwegian Long Haul. It is known that stakeholders within the aviation industry have front people that monitors such social media as this forum with the task to try to influence or even swing it their way. I'm not saying you are one of those Skipness 1E. There can of course be a perfectly good other explanation like something similar to the local patriotism we see Saturdays at football stadiums.
The last eleven years I have studied the British aviation industry as a hobby. One thing that has struck me visiting airlines, maintenance facilities, airports and aviation museums around the UK is the amount of knowledge that has been collected, but the knowledge is so darn local or is it better to say provincial. If you go to places like Brooklands you get a wealth of information about the Viscount or the VC10, but if you happen to ask about the specially modified superstall test One-Eleven parked there the knowledge is close to zero (it was after all built at Hurn). But there are gems too like if you want to learn more about the Concorde and its operation, you have to find the Fortune in Scotland.
Contrary to most other here I have had two flights with DY's Dreamliners. With that I also know a bit more about the country mix of the Bangkok based cabin crew. On these two flights around half the crew came from Scandinavian countries (mostly senior crew) and the rest was of Asian origin.
Now, for me it is interesting to know why Skipness 1E has made it to his mission to reveal Norwegian Long Haul. It is known that stakeholders within the aviation industry have front people that monitors such social media as this forum with the task to try to influence or even swing it their way. I'm not saying you are one of those Skipness 1E. There can of course be a perfectly good other explanation like something similar to the local patriotism we see Saturdays at football stadiums.
The last eleven years I have studied the British aviation industry as a hobby. One thing that has struck me visiting airlines, maintenance facilities, airports and aviation museums around the UK is the amount of knowledge that has been collected, but the knowledge is so darn local or is it better to say provincial. If you go to places like Brooklands you get a wealth of information about the Viscount or the VC10, but if you happen to ask about the specially modified superstall test One-Eleven parked there the knowledge is close to zero (it was after all built at Hurn). But there are gems too like if you want to learn more about the Concorde and its operation, you have to find the Fortune in Scotland.
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Skipness 1E, if what SR71 said in the thread you are linking to is representative of the knowledge there, I would say it is only at best mere assumptions. Norwegian has not announced any flights between BKK and LGW. With that, one can say a link to Thailand is broken since one need minimum six long haul legs before returning to base. A much stronger link will exist between LGW and USA though, and since Norwegian has said they're setting up a US base (most probably in Florida and/or New York) - a safe bet will be that cheap labour from the US (compared with Scandinavian) will be mostly used on flights from Fort Lauderdale, Oakland, Los Angeles, Sanford and parts of the New York JFK flights. There may also be a possibility for UK based crew (again such crew will be much cheaper than similar Scandinavian crew).
Contrary to most other here I have had two flights with DY's Dreamliners. With that I also know a bit more about the country mix of the Bangkok based cabin crew. On these two flights around half the crew came from Scandinavian countries (mostly senior crew) and the rest was of Asian origin.
Now, for me it is interesting to know why Skipness 1E has made it to his mission to reveal Norwegian Long Haul. It is known that stakeholders within the aviation industry have front people that monitors such social media as this forum with the task to try to influence or even swing it their way. I'm not saying you are one of those Skipness 1E. There can of course be a perfectly good other explanation like something similar to the local patriotism we see Saturdays at football stadiums.
The last eleven years I have studied the British aviation industry as a hobby. One thing that has struck me visiting airlines, maintenance facilities, airports and aviation museums around the UK is the amount of knowledge that has been collected, but the knowledge is so darn local or is it better to say provincial. If you go to places like Brooklands you get a wealth of information about the Viscount or the VC10, but if you happen to ask about the specially modified superstall test One-Eleven parked there the knowledge is close to zero (it was after all built at Hurn). But there are gems too like if you want to learn more about the Concorde and its operation, you have to find the Fortune in Scotland.
Contrary to most other here I have had two flights with DY's Dreamliners. With that I also know a bit more about the country mix of the Bangkok based cabin crew. On these two flights around half the crew came from Scandinavian countries (mostly senior crew) and the rest was of Asian origin.
Now, for me it is interesting to know why Skipness 1E has made it to his mission to reveal Norwegian Long Haul. It is known that stakeholders within the aviation industry have front people that monitors such social media as this forum with the task to try to influence or even swing it their way. I'm not saying you are one of those Skipness 1E. There can of course be a perfectly good other explanation like something similar to the local patriotism we see Saturdays at football stadiums.
The last eleven years I have studied the British aviation industry as a hobby. One thing that has struck me visiting airlines, maintenance facilities, airports and aviation museums around the UK is the amount of knowledge that has been collected, but the knowledge is so darn local or is it better to say provincial. If you go to places like Brooklands you get a wealth of information about the Viscount or the VC10, but if you happen to ask about the specially modified superstall test One-Eleven parked there the knowledge is close to zero (it was after all built at Hurn). But there are gems too like if you want to learn more about the Concorde and its operation, you have to find the Fortune in Scotland.
Aside from wanting to have a dig as Skip...........................what was that all about ?
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I am just an enthusiast who has worked around the industry as an analyst.
My concern is that Norwegian is way too good to be true, it would appear off shoring and outsourcing as per the Ryanair model to smash existings ts and cs are their mission.
I will withdraw my objection if they create real UK based professional jobs and pay market level salaries.
So US staff on an Irish registered aeroplane flying for an arm's length subsidiary of a Norwegian firm? Who has regulatory overview?
My concern is that Norwegian is way too good to be true, it would appear off shoring and outsourcing as per the Ryanair model to smash existings ts and cs are their mission.
I will withdraw my objection if they create real UK based professional jobs and pay market level salaries.
So US staff on an Irish registered aeroplane flying for an arm's length subsidiary of a Norwegian firm? Who has regulatory overview?
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Just a few questions for you Skipness One Echo: What about Russian Transaero flying their aircraft with Irish registration? And then there is Aeroflot with their aircraft registered in Bermuda? I guess Transaero has Russian crews, i.e. non-EU crew.
May I suggest some interesting reading. The interesting stuff starts at page 18 of the presentation linked to below, but I have to warn you - this presentation may be warped since Norwegian has made it.
http://www.norwegian.com/Global/norw...esentation.pdf
May I suggest some interesting reading. The interesting stuff starts at page 18 of the presentation linked to below, but I have to warn you - this presentation may be warped since Norwegian has made it.
http://www.norwegian.com/Global/norw...esentation.pdf
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Just a few questions for you Skipness One Echo: What about Russian Transaero flying their aircraft with Irish registration? And then there is Aeroflot with their aircraft registered in Bermuda? I guess Transaero has Russian crews, i.e. non-EU crew.
Norwegian 787's are operating on an Irish AOC (i.e. EU based) but non-EU crews. The (non-aviation) based company I work for couldn't do that, are airlines different?
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