Norwegian Air Shuttle

[LNIDA]

Artie Fufkin

Sorry to disappoint you, but i would broadly agree with their sentiments, price is being used to get bums on seats in new markets, that is the marketing strategy, get people to try the product and hope they come back if they like it, but yep it is a fine balance.........

Long haul will either work or fail spectacularly.......

[wallp]

Is LGW-BKK still definitely on the cards for later this year?

[LN-KGL]

The timetable now seems to be set to 31 January 2015; for LGW that means from July 2014 to January 2015 2x weekly FLL, 2x weekly LAX and 3x weekly JFK. In 2015 only one B788 wil be delivered (the 8th and the last of the 787-8 to be delivered), and I doubt this one will be used to open up BKK from LGW. This last 787-8 will most probably being used to increase frequencies on existing routes. After that six 787-9 will arrive between 2016 and 2018, two each year. These will most probably used on the heavier existing routes and free up older 787-8 to open up new fields.

But Norwegian seems to have a more immediate fleet problem - all four of their B788s to be delivered in 2014 are caught up in the wing micro cracks issue. Is this why the delivery of first of them (EI-LND) has been delayed?

[Getmeout]

Anbody know about Norwegians plans at LGW re the short haul service?

How many aircraft are they planning on basing there?

[toledoashley]

Had a look through the Gatwick Long Haul schedule of which there are 12 weekly flights, 6x weekly to New York, 4x weekly to Los Angeles and 1x weekly each to Fort Lauderdale and Orlando. The Fort Lauderdale route is a reduction from Summer 14, with the slot given to Orlando on a Saturday. It leaves 2 gaps in the timetable, giving each aircraft a break in the schedule. Number at end designates aircraft.


Have had confirmed from airline that Oakland was on the list of options, but decided not to operate, so looks like this could be the final schedule for next summer.

Mon LGW - JFK 1800/2100 JFK - LGW 2230/1030+ 1
Mon LGW - LAX 1345/1705 LAX - LGW 1905/1335+ 2


Tue LGW - JFK 1800/2100 JFK - LGW 2230/1030+ 2
Tue LGW - FLL 1550/2000 FLL - LGW 2200/1115+ 1


Wed LGW - JFK 1800/2100 JFK - LGW 2230/1030+ 1
Wed LGW - LAX 1345/1705 LAX - LGW 1905/1335+ 2


Thu LGW - JFK 1800/2100 JFK - LGW 2230/1030+ 2
Thu LGW - LAX 1345/1705 LAX - LGW 1905/1335+ 1


Fri LGW - JFK 1800/2100 JFK - LGW 2230/1030+ 2


Sat LGW - JFK 1800/2100 JFK - LGW 2230/1030+ 1
Sat LGW - MCO 1550/2000 MCO - LGW 2200/1115+ 2


Sun LGW - LAX 1345/1705 LAX - LGW 1905/1335+ 1

[EI-A330-300]

Reported 9 b737-800 will be Irish registered.

[LN-KGL]

The nine will get the registrations:
EI-FHA ex LN-DYY
EI-FHA ex LN-NOE
EI-FHC ex LN-NOL
EI-FHD ex LN-DYX
EI-FHE ex LN-NOD
EI-FHF ex LN-NOB
EI-FHG ex LN-NOJ
EI-FHI ex LN-NOV
EI-FHJ ex LN-NGM

And all nine will be flying under Norwegian's Irish AOC.

[Seljuk22]

What are the plans for those a/c (special destinations or just for money reason), where will they be based? Just 9 or more to come?

Traffic figures 2014

23,976,731 +15.8% LF 80.9 +2.6pp

[LNIDA]

All LGW based from 2/2/15 but more to come, not all night stop in LGW

These aircraft cannot be flown by non NAI crew

[Skipness One Echo]

So this is a second shell company seperate and apart from the one flying the B787-8s?

[LN-KGL]

No, I don't think so Skipness 1E, NAI will be/is Norwegian's EU airline. With that Norwegian can start flying to countries that have agreements with EU. A bilateral agreement between Norway and a country outside EU don't help much if you want to expand with flights starting from within the EU. A typical such EU agreement is the one between Israel and EU.

[Curious Pax]

Perhaps it's also aimed at persuading the U.S. authorities that the Irish company isn't solely to avoid Norwegian costs when flying US routes?

[LNIDA]

CP probably some truth in that but its been on the cards a while and the Irish are going through it with a fine tooth come, the obvious advantages are an EU currency country, lower corporate tax rates, + EU AOC with unfettered rights to fly any where in the EU or between any EU state and 3 rd country with an EU open skies, the ultimate prize being the US, the current exemption for LGW -USA expires in March 2016 if i recall

Find staff willing to work in Dublin Mon-Fri is a bigger challenge for the AOC requirements, would help if DY had daily flights there.........

[El Bunto]

Norwegian have DY1 through DY7 Aviation registered as Irish companies; most of the 787s are registered to the latter. They are legally separate from NAI, and Norwegian Air Resources Holdings, and Norwegian Assets, naturally...

So I could imagine the 737s being distributed across those other DY 'companies'. It will be interesting to see the IAA registry update released in a couple of weeks. I should think it would be prudent to keep them separate from the 787 company, just in case long-haul finances don't work out.

It's quite difficult to trace Norwegian's footprint in Ireland as they register their interests through a law firm in Dublin 2, along with several hundred other companies... all sharing the same 'corporate' address.

My interest only arises because I live on the island and it's intriguing to follow the machinations of airlines that register here.

[NickBarnes]

Wonder if anyone can help.

I'm booked in the premium cabin too New York in a week or so, currently looking at the seat map i'm the only one booked in the cabin as you have to choose a seat when you book premium. So presuming that's correct.

I have heard stories that Norwegian have if there are only a couple in the premium cabin made those people sit in economy, saying they can't offer the service. is this true?

If so would they refund the extra I paid considering i'm not getting the service I should?

Now I have no problem with economy but sitting there when you have paid £600 for premium isn't correct surely.

Of course those rumors may be complete lies if so ignore this post, just wondering if anybody knew

Many Thanks

[pamann]

I don't understand why an airline couldn't offer the service if only 1 pax was sat in their Prem Economy cabin?

Could it not be that no one has yet selected their seats? As strange as that would be given it's close to departure?

[Hotel Tango]

NickBarnes, I take it that is on the B787. As far as I can see the premium cabin differs significantly from the Economy cabin. There could be the possibility that if they haven't sold enough premium seats and have excessive demand for economy seats that they will operate the flight as all-economy. This would mean that some 30-odd pax would be seated in the premium cabin but receive economy service. Therefore, you would still have your premium seat but receive the economy service. That is not what you paid for and you should demand the price difference to be refunded.

[NickBarnes]

Well when you book premium with Norwegian you have to choose your seat, there's no other option. When you do it updates the seat map and blocks the seat off, plus you see the other booked unavailable seats.

so when I fly on the 29th it's just me in the cabin.

Did a mock booking for tomorrow the 20th return 22nd and theirs 9 going and 2 on the return.

So perhaps it's not that unusual.

Was just concerned when I heard that people where denied premium cabin because too few people. First time iv'e done Premium and don't won't to waste my money i'm sure people can understand.

But as you say does seem strange if they don't offer it, should be easier for them.

To be honest I shouldn't complain if I have the whole premium cabin to myself.

[NickBarnes]

Many thanks Hotel Tango, yes 787, that would make more sense to me, and agree I should demand and get what I paid for or have the refund.

[toledoashley]

When I flew with them to NYC in November, they had a very attractive upgrade on the day price - between £200-£250. They were also upgrading people FOC, so I don't think there will be a problem.

I flew back with about 10 in Premium on thanksgiving day,