EU Reject Ryanair takeover of Aer Lingus
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I don't follow your meaning there, racedo? You quote me and then by saying,
would seem to indicate that exception of BA/LHR is something I support? Perhaps you could clarify?
Unless its BA with slots at Heathrow
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An attempt to take over Aer Lingus and the fact they are a shareholder demonstrates they already have the potential to interfere with fair competition in the marketplace.
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An attempt to take over Aer Lingus and the fact they are a shareholder demonstrates they already have the potential to interfere with fair competition in the marketplace.
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@floss689
Re-positioning themselves to sell their tickets ever so slightly less, but still an extortionate rip off price, doesn't exactly make them a 'centre market airline'.
You're wrong buddy. I won't have any loans of £100,000. I intend to work up to ATPL via the modular route using my own money, while at the same time holding down full time employment. No bank loans. No family loans/gifts. It will take a good number of years to do this, I am aware of that. Rent, not much of an issue when you have a girlfriend in decent employment paying 50% of the rent in a sensibly priced accommodation.
Generations of my family have worked down coal pits for decades. They weren't working on anything near 20k, and I am pretty sure they were treated a lot worse than pilots and cabin crew at Ryanair. Nevertheless they didn't walk out after 18 months in tears over their working conditions. I know what to expect of Ryanair. I have done enough reading on here and came to my conclusions.
I highly doubt that my keyboard mannerisms in debating/discussing with you lot, is going to impact too heavily upon my future career. 
Do you like drone aviators?
You cannot compare EI with BA, if you think they are the same, then you really don't know what you are talking about. EI have positioned themselves as a centre market airline between the lo costs and the legacy's and this is proving to work well for them.
You'd happily work for 20k; try living on that with a flight training loan of 100k and a mortgage/rent. (I'm not talking about you personally but most people have these cost) Trust me, after 5 years of working for FR you won't be singing their praises so much. When you realise how the staff are treated and realise how treating the staff like this is part of the reason fares are lower. But you are young and naive and I know what ever I say you won't listen to because you already know it all
Generations of my family have worked down coal pits for decades. They weren't working on anything near 20k, and I am pretty sure they were treated a lot worse than pilots and cabin crew at Ryanair. Nevertheless they didn't walk out after 18 months in tears over their working conditions. I know what to expect of Ryanair. I have done enough reading on here and came to my conclusions.
Maybe an attitude you should think about changing if you want to have a successful career as a pilot.
Do you like drone aviators?
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Nope. No socialist/feminist/gay rights activist me. 
Do keep up with the times @Fairdealfrank, the king of the swingers left the Scottish Socialist Party in 2006 to form an even bigger joke of a party: Solidarity: Scotland's Socialist Movement.
What party? What position? Do tell, no need to be bashful, we’re all friends here (even if the rhetoric sometimes suggests otherwise
Tommy Sheridan's lot isn't it?
Scottish Socialist Party ?
Do keep up with the times @Fairdealfrank, the king of the swingers left the Scottish Socialist Party in 2006 to form an even bigger joke of a party: Solidarity: Scotland's Socialist Movement.
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extortionate rip off price
I won't have any loans of £100,000
I highly doubt that my keyboard mannerisms in debating/discussing with you lot, is going to impact too heavily upon my future career.
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The ticket price differences between Ryanair and Aer Lingus is vast in and out of Ireland. Unless you are talking about buying a ticket about 1-2 days in advance, that might be the only time their prices meet. I have already said, some people are just pathetic and will pay x3 the price for a more padded seat for their backside, or just to spite Ryanair for not providing them with a cup of coffee.
Well people shouldn't be so stupid in the first place by getting themselves into debt on that level, knowing that their first flight role won't be allowing them to pay off all their debt within a year or two. I have no sympathy what so ever for these people. Get a job and open a savings account.
Also, it can be done for a lot less than 100k.
God, the tea leaf pickers in India who get paid 50p a day must shed a tear now and then for pilots.
If this was true, then why would anyone fly with EI out of Dublin? At the moment there is plenty of competition which keeps prices checked. This would not be the case with a FR monopoly.
I said I wasn't talking about your personal situation. These cost can be reasonably expected for someone who trains to be a pilot. Trying to make ends meet on 20k while paying back loans would not be easy.
Also, it can be done for a lot less than 100k.
I genuinely wish you luck with your ambition. I just wish new guys coming into the industry could see that they are being taken advantage of.
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The ticket price differences between Ryanair and Aer Lingus is vast in and out of Ireland. Unless you are talking about buying a ticket about 1-2 days in advance, that might be the only time their prices meet. I have already said,
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The ticket price differences between Ryanair and Aer Lingus is vast in and out of Ireland. Unless you are talking about buying a ticket about 1-2 days in advance, that might be the only time their prices meet. I have already said, some people are just pathetic and will pay x3 the price for a more padded seat for their backside, or just to spite Ryanair for not providing them with a cup of coffee.
Did you even look anything up? Prices are similar for most competing flights, in some cases Aer Lingus being cheaper than FR. And just so you know EI don't provide you with a cup of coffee.
You claim to be big into capitalism, yet don't think that an Airline like Aer Lingus should exist, despite it making a profit for its shareholders for the past 3 years in a row?
You think they are too expensive, yet still people fly on them and they make a profit. Don't you think that if FR was able to charge a higher price and get away with it they would? That's how business works, FR is selling tickets for as much as they can charge without turning away passengers, so are EI, if EI can charge higher prices (not saying they do, but if they did) and still make a profit on it, then what's wrong, clearly there's a market for it. No airline is going to sell tickets cheaper than they have to just to be nice.
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You obviously already know it all. I won't waste my time arguing with you. Enjoy FR if that's where you end up or if not there's always P2F. After a few years of getting treated like c*"p , you might eventually see what I'm on about. Good luck.
You obviously already know it all. I won't waste my time arguing with you. Enjoy FR if that's where you end up or if not there's always P2F. After a few years of getting treated like c*"p , you might eventually see what I'm on about. Good luck.
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For the benefit of our young colleague, I have just looked at comparison prices to fly Manchester/Dublin/Manchester, at random I selected flying out 14th March and returning one week later.
He is absolutely right Ryanair at £85.69 are cheaper than EI at £95.99, however I would hardly say the difference in price is outrageous.
He is absolutely right Ryanair at £85.69 are cheaper than EI at £95.99, however I would hardly say the difference in price is outrageous.
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Quote: "Do keep up with the times @Fairdealfrank, the king of the swingers left the Scottish Socialist Party in 2006 to form an even bigger joke of a party: Solidarity: Scotland's Socialist Movement."
Oh, very good! Sounds like you had never heard of Tommy Sheridan and had to "google" him to find out, hence the bang up-to-date information.
Is this correct?
Thought so.
Oh, very good! Sounds like you had never heard of Tommy Sheridan and had to "google" him to find out, hence the bang up-to-date information.
Is this correct?
Thought so.
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"So are you saying that the Irish Govt has the potential to interfere with fair competition in the marketplace as they are a shareholder as well ..............."
Unfortunately the Irish (or any other government, for that matter) always have the potential to interfere.
Remember when they took the STN/DUB route off Aer Lingus and gave it to FR
Unfortunately the Irish (or any other government, for that matter) always have the potential to interfere.
Remember when they took the STN/DUB route off Aer Lingus and gave it to FR
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Remember when they took the STN/DUB route off Aer Lingus and gave it to FR
. A lot of people on here, especially the EI fanboys, conveniently forget about that.
