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Yes,YYZ has been operated before by AI,and it was fairly successful.
The reason the flight got axed was because AI were given an ultimatum by the powers that be to use LHR slots or lose them.If you remember the flight was effectively transferred from BHX to LHR,although if memory serves it didn't actually last very long.
Whether the slots were retained by AI after that for another service at LHR,I can't remember,but as we all know AI returned to BHX and the rest is history.
What most people would like to know is whether the YYZ service is extra to what we have now,so 2 flights a day on the days of operation,or whether it is a tag on to the current service.DEL-BHX-YYZ-BHX-DEL on a daily basis.I am guessing a lot will depend on aircraft availabilty,but we do know some more 788s are due in the coming months.
The reason the flight got axed was because AI were given an ultimatum by the powers that be to use LHR slots or lose them.If you remember the flight was effectively transferred from BHX to LHR,although if memory serves it didn't actually last very long.
Whether the slots were retained by AI after that for another service at LHR,I can't remember,but as we all know AI returned to BHX and the rest is history.
What most people would like to know is whether the YYZ service is extra to what we have now,so 2 flights a day on the days of operation,or whether it is a tag on to the current service.DEL-BHX-YYZ-BHX-DEL on a daily basis.I am guessing a lot will depend on aircraft availabilty,but we do know some more 788s are due in the coming months.
Yes,YYZ has been operated before by AI,and it was fairly successful.
The reason the flight got axed was because AI were given an ultimatum by the powers that be to use LHR slots or lose them.If you remember the flight was effectively transferred from BHX to LHR,although if memory serves it didn't actually last very long.
Whether the slots were retained by AI after that for another service at LHR,I can't remember,but as we all know AI returned to BHX and the rest is history.
What most people would like to know is whether the YYZ service is extra to what we have now,so 2 flights a day on the days of operation,or whether it is a tag on to the current service.DEL-BHX-YYZ-BHX-DEL on a daily basis.I am guessing a lot will depend on aircraft availabilty,but we do know some more 788s are due in the coming months.
The reason the flight got axed was because AI were given an ultimatum by the powers that be to use LHR slots or lose them.If you remember the flight was effectively transferred from BHX to LHR,although if memory serves it didn't actually last very long.
Whether the slots were retained by AI after that for another service at LHR,I can't remember,but as we all know AI returned to BHX and the rest is history.
What most people would like to know is whether the YYZ service is extra to what we have now,so 2 flights a day on the days of operation,or whether it is a tag on to the current service.DEL-BHX-YYZ-BHX-DEL on a daily basis.I am guessing a lot will depend on aircraft availabilty,but we do know some more 788s are due in the coming months.
However, with this one, I could see a scenario where Amritsar is served directly to BHX, as a "new route", freeing up capacity on the DEL-BHX for it to run through to YYZ.
I know nothing, this is pure conjecture on my behalf; and anyway, as with anything involving Air India, a significant part will be played by the Government, at both national, and state level. Notable the "M" word (Manchester!) didn't appear.
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That's not a bad shout ATNotts.
However my concern would be for those pax transferring onto flights from DEL.
More and more people are using this service as a transfer point not just to other Indian destinations,but also to other points in Asia and beyond.
If we only have Amritsar direct,then are AI going to guarantee a number of seats on the DEL service for those wishing to either stay in DEL or transfer to another flight from the BHX end.
If memory serves,not that many passengers used the flight to get to YYZ from BHX,but very often it was full going back to DEL,which included pax joining the service at BHX.
My point is,I am not sure there is sufficient demand for 2 daily flights to DEL from BHX,let alone YYZ.I know there will be demand from India to Canada,it is a case of what seats are going to be made available to and from BHX in both directions,if that makes sense.
However my concern would be for those pax transferring onto flights from DEL.
More and more people are using this service as a transfer point not just to other Indian destinations,but also to other points in Asia and beyond.
If we only have Amritsar direct,then are AI going to guarantee a number of seats on the DEL service for those wishing to either stay in DEL or transfer to another flight from the BHX end.
If memory serves,not that many passengers used the flight to get to YYZ from BHX,but very often it was full going back to DEL,which included pax joining the service at BHX.
My point is,I am not sure there is sufficient demand for 2 daily flights to DEL from BHX,let alone YYZ.I know there will be demand from India to Canada,it is a case of what seats are going to be made available to and from BHX in both directions,if that makes sense.
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Landed in BHX after a week in FUE last night. The airport really needs some money spending on it. Leaving last week, in the middle of October, hardly peak time and two weeks before half term and the security queue was terrible and the design of the whole security system is really poor IMO. Got back last night and the pram/wheelchair belt wasn't working, and so the handlers very kindly threw the prams through the door (And I mean threw) not a care for damage.
On a side note, there was a white 737 parked up on remote last night when I landed, couldn't tell the series, judging by size i'd guess at a 300 or a 700, anyone know what it is? I couldn't read the reg from our bus
On a side note, there was a white 737 parked up on remote last night when I landed, couldn't tell the series, judging by size i'd guess at a 300 or a 700, anyone know what it is? I couldn't read the reg from our bus
That's not a bad shout ATNotts.
However my concern would be for those pax transferring onto flights from DEL.
More and more people are using this service as a transfer point not just to other Indian destinations,but also to other points in Asia and beyond.
If we only have Amritsar direct,then are AI going to guarantee a number of seats on the DEL service for those wishing to either stay in DEL or transfer to another flight from the BHX end.
If memory serves,not that many passengers used the flight to get to YYZ from BHX,but very often it was full going back to DEL,which included pax joining the service at BHX.
My point is,I am not sure there is sufficient demand for 2 daily flights to DEL from BHX,let alone YYZ.I know there will be demand from India to Canada,it is a case of what seats are going to be made available to and from BHX in both directions,if that makes sense.
However my concern would be for those pax transferring onto flights from DEL.
More and more people are using this service as a transfer point not just to other Indian destinations,but also to other points in Asia and beyond.
If we only have Amritsar direct,then are AI going to guarantee a number of seats on the DEL service for those wishing to either stay in DEL or transfer to another flight from the BHX end.
If memory serves,not that many passengers used the flight to get to YYZ from BHX,but very often it was full going back to DEL,which included pax joining the service at BHX.
My point is,I am not sure there is sufficient demand for 2 daily flights to DEL from BHX,let alone YYZ.I know there will be demand from India to Canada,it is a case of what seats are going to be made available to and from BHX in both directions,if that makes sense.
Obviously this raises a number of questions. First, could the terminal and transit area cope? Second, are AI reliable enough from a timekeeping perspective to make it a viable option? Third, what are the visa requirements for Indian passengers transiting UK?
With regard to No.3, you wouldn't pick up many passengers from ATQ transferring at BHX if they had to clear immigration, and thus have to have a UK and Canadian visa - a la the USA with PAX transfering at Miami onward to South America.
In the scenario I have suggested, I would imagine DEL-BHX-YYZ would be a 777, and ATQ-BHX a 788.
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It will be interesting to see what AI decide to do if this YYZ link goes ahead.
A number of options are available,but as you say,ATNotts,reliability is an issue.It has improved in the last year or so,but then again the B787s are still fairly new,so the aircraft themselves may not be the problem.
Also the 777s that were used previously are no longer in the fleet.They were second hand,leased but used by United before AI.All sorts of issues were had with them.
We await further news.
azz767 the only 737 I am aware of is 9H-OME. Air Charter X.It is chartered by the MOD for the Wednesday service to Paderborn.
A number of options are available,but as you say,ATNotts,reliability is an issue.It has improved in the last year or so,but then again the B787s are still fairly new,so the aircraft themselves may not be the problem.
Also the 777s that were used previously are no longer in the fleet.They were second hand,leased but used by United before AI.All sorts of issues were had with them.
We await further news.
azz767 the only 737 I am aware of is 9H-OME. Air Charter X.It is chartered by the MOD for the Wednesday service to Paderborn.
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Baggage carrier firm Aviator pulls out of major UK airports including Gatwick | Daily Mail Online
Surel BHX wont allow this to happen. If so looks like a messy winter period at bhx
Surel BHX wont allow this to happen. If so looks like a messy winter period at bhx
They will let it happen as the staff have read the writing on the wall and have left.Those that have stayed will probably transfer to Swissport or whoever else moves in.
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That's not a bad shout ATNotts.
However my concern would be for those pax transferring onto flights from DEL.
More and more people are using this service as a transfer point not just to other Indian destinations,but also to other points in Asia and beyond.
If we only have Amritsar direct,then are AI going to guarantee a number of seats on the DEL service for those wishing to either stay in DEL or transfer to another flight from the BHX end.
If memory serves,not that many passengers used the flight to get to YYZ from BHX,but very often it was full going back to DEL,which included pax joining the service at BHX.
My point is,I am not sure there is sufficient demand for 2 daily flights to DEL from BHX,let alone YYZ.I know there will be demand from India to Canada,it is a case of what seats are going to be made available to and from BHX in both directions,if that makes sense.
However my concern would be for those pax transferring onto flights from DEL.
More and more people are using this service as a transfer point not just to other Indian destinations,but also to other points in Asia and beyond.
If we only have Amritsar direct,then are AI going to guarantee a number of seats on the DEL service for those wishing to either stay in DEL or transfer to another flight from the BHX end.
If memory serves,not that many passengers used the flight to get to YYZ from BHX,but very often it was full going back to DEL,which included pax joining the service at BHX.
My point is,I am not sure there is sufficient demand for 2 daily flights to DEL from BHX,let alone YYZ.I know there will be demand from India to Canada,it is a case of what seats are going to be made available to and from BHX in both directions,if that makes sense.
(1) DEL-BHX-YYZ-BHX-DEL;
and (2) DEL-ATQ-BHX-ATQ-DEL.
If not, it could be 4 days/week of one option and 3 days/week for the other.
That would eliminate backtracking and changing planes for pax between BHX and ATQ.
Again, pure kite flying.
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6 weekly Ibiza (daily ex Sat, same as Jet2) and 10 weekly Palma (2 daily on Tue, Thu, and Sun) have now been loaded for July and August. Looks to be back to 5 based on some days at least, a couple of gaps still remaining with PMI still one short of the frequency mentioned in the press release.
Vilnius is closed during July/August for runway work, perhaps RYR will follow Wizz and move all their flights to Kaunas during that time. Wouldn't be the first time they had to shift operations temporarily, as they are currently flying to Rome/FCO while CIA is closed.
Vilnius is closed during July/August for runway work, perhaps RYR will follow Wizz and move all their flights to Kaunas during that time. Wouldn't be the first time they had to shift operations temporarily, as they are currently flying to Rome/FCO while CIA is closed.
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New routes for W17/18 now on the website. Funchal (1 weekly), Geneva (3 weekly), Grenoble (1 weekly), Kraków (2 weekly), Prague (2 weekly), Salzburg (1 weekly), Turin (1 weekly).
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September CAA stats
Source: CAA 1,208,581 up 16%
The routes are generally good and long-haul much better.
Route...............2016......2015...avg pax..load factor
ASHKHABAD...... 2004.....3016...... 59.....31%
DOHA...............12904.........0.....215.....85%
DUBAI..............61898...58808.....352.... 74%
AMRITSAR..........6141.........
DELHI................6218...10556.....206.... 81%
ISLAMABAD........8169.....4692.....272.....76%
TORONTO...........2425.....2075.....303.....89%
NEW YORK (JFK).7765.....6966.....144..... 82%
NEW YORK (EWR) 7852....8374......145.... 86%
ISTANBUL.........12904...13115......122....78%
American found out how to improve load factors alas I assume at the expense of profit but lets hope Norwegian are doing their research and take a serious look at BHX rather than go into crowded markets.
The Emirates has been adjusted for the time EK41 never operated and some low density A388's on EK39.
Qatar at BHX posted a higher figure than EDI and I still believe the two previous months figures reported by the CAA at BHX were wrong. Still no sign of the second Saturday service returning though.
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The routes are generally good and long-haul much better.
Route...............2016......2015...avg pax..load factor
ASHKHABAD...... 2004.....3016...... 59.....31%
DOHA...............12904.........0.....215.....85%
DUBAI..............61898...58808.....352.... 74%
AMRITSAR..........6141.........
DELHI................6218...10556.....206.... 81%
ISLAMABAD........8169.....4692.....272.....76%
TORONTO...........2425.....2075.....303.....89%
NEW YORK (JFK).7765.....6966.....144..... 82%
NEW YORK (EWR) 7852....8374......145.... 86%
ISTANBUL.........12904...13115......122....78%
American found out how to improve load factors alas I assume at the expense of profit but lets hope Norwegian are doing their research and take a serious look at BHX rather than go into crowded markets.
The Emirates has been adjusted for the time EK41 never operated and some low density A388's on EK39.
Qatar at BHX posted a higher figure than EDI and I still believe the two previous months figures reported by the CAA at BHX were wrong. Still no sign of the second Saturday service returning though.
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... you ask that Crewmeal but I think that is pretty standard for Turkmenistan....
They operate 3x weekly out of BHX and carried 2,004 pax for September (-34%) which equates to 59 pax per flight. They operate 2x weekly from LHR and carried 830 pax for September (-43%). As there were 9 flights in September, that equates to 46 pax per flight!!!
I cant think of any other situation where BHX carries more pax on a route that LHR!!!!
They operate 3x weekly out of BHX and carried 2,004 pax for September (-34%) which equates to 59 pax per flight. They operate 2x weekly from LHR and carried 830 pax for September (-43%). As there were 9 flights in September, that equates to 46 pax per flight!!!
I cant think of any other situation where BHX carries more pax on a route that LHR!!!!