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The expansion looks good but I still see a few problems with it:
With a 50% increase in passenger numbers, if not more, the terminal may only get busier even with the expansions in place.
The new entrance will take the place of existing bus stops. With more passengers, there will be a growing demand for bus/coach transport, yet there will be less space for buses directly outside the terminal than there currently is today.
There is no improvement on car parking. If anything, that may also decrease with the new two-story pier so car parking will become a lot more restricted.
There is no mention of the departure lounge, just an increased amount of seating. Perhaps it just wasn't mentioned in the video, but an increased range of shops, restaurants, food outlets etc. will also be needed to cater for more passengers as well as more space.
The fundamental problem at Luton is the small amount of land they have to develop on. It's already fairly small and compact as it is. Despite the widening of the road from the Holiday Inn to the Terminal, traffic congestion may still be a problem right back from the M1 and for people in Luton itself.
It would be good if it all happens, but I would be hugely opposed to it if I were a resident anywhere nearby.
With a 50% increase in passenger numbers, if not more, the terminal may only get busier even with the expansions in place.
The new entrance will take the place of existing bus stops. With more passengers, there will be a growing demand for bus/coach transport, yet there will be less space for buses directly outside the terminal than there currently is today.
There is no improvement on car parking. If anything, that may also decrease with the new two-story pier so car parking will become a lot more restricted.
There is no mention of the departure lounge, just an increased amount of seating. Perhaps it just wasn't mentioned in the video, but an increased range of shops, restaurants, food outlets etc. will also be needed to cater for more passengers as well as more space.
The fundamental problem at Luton is the small amount of land they have to develop on. It's already fairly small and compact as it is. Despite the widening of the road from the Holiday Inn to the Terminal, traffic congestion may still be a problem right back from the M1 and for people in Luton itself.
It would be good if it all happens, but I would be hugely opposed to it if I were a resident anywhere nearby.
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If I was still a resident nearby, I would hugely supportive.
Jobs. In the middle of the greatest depression since the Depression, jobs of all kinds are needed. Short and long term jobs. There are other benefits too, of course.
Jobs. In the middle of the greatest depression since the Depression, jobs of all kinds are needed. Short and long term jobs. There are other benefits too, of course.
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Sorry to be blunt, but have you actually read the plans, because almost all of that post if factually incorrect.
With a 50% increase in passenger numbers, if not more, the terminal may only get busier even with the expansions in place.
The plan is to increase passenger numbers by nearly 100%. And yes, the terminal will get busier, but that will be offset somewhat by the bigger CTA capacity. Because of the location, Luton could easily become a major major airport. But that's unrealistic - the owners knew as much back in 2005.
The new entrance will take the place of existing bus stops. With more passengers, there will be a growing demand for bus/coach transport, yet there will be less space for buses directly outside the terminal than there currently is today.
The public transport plan is a bit patchy, but anecdotally it looks bigger than now. The vast majority of customers will still travel by train/car.
There is no improvement on car parking. If anything, that may also decrease with the new two-story pier so car parking will become a lot more restricted.
There is a 1,200 space multi storey car park to be built. The road network will become a dual carriageway and improvements in the drop off look fairly decent in offsetting the extra movements.
There is no mention of the departure lounge, just an increased amount of seating. Perhaps it just wasn't mentioned in the video, but an increased range of shops, restaurants, food outlets etc. will also be needed to cater for more passengers as well as more space.
Bigger terminal area = more space. The idea is to extend the departure lounge to the South. Its way too early to be discussing fixtures and fittings.
The fundamental problem at Luton is the small amount of land they have to develop on. It's already fairly small and compact as it is. Despite the widening of the road from the Holiday Inn to the Terminal, traffic congestion may still be a problem right back from the M1 and for people in Luton itself.
See above. In terms of an environmental point of view, its possibly a good thing? The airport has made a big issue about the efficiency of the airport - land to passengers ratio.
I would be hugely opposed to it if I were a resident anywhere nearby.
I'm a resident nearby and I'm not opposed to it. As someone has already touched on - jobs and economic advantages. The town can ill afford for its only major wealth creator to become stagnant. I'd say the majority of residents are for the expansion, with the only opponents being the NIMBYs from Hertfordshire.
With a 50% increase in passenger numbers, if not more, the terminal may only get busier even with the expansions in place.
The plan is to increase passenger numbers by nearly 100%. And yes, the terminal will get busier, but that will be offset somewhat by the bigger CTA capacity. Because of the location, Luton could easily become a major major airport. But that's unrealistic - the owners knew as much back in 2005.
The new entrance will take the place of existing bus stops. With more passengers, there will be a growing demand for bus/coach transport, yet there will be less space for buses directly outside the terminal than there currently is today.
The public transport plan is a bit patchy, but anecdotally it looks bigger than now. The vast majority of customers will still travel by train/car.
There is no improvement on car parking. If anything, that may also decrease with the new two-story pier so car parking will become a lot more restricted.
There is a 1,200 space multi storey car park to be built. The road network will become a dual carriageway and improvements in the drop off look fairly decent in offsetting the extra movements.
There is no mention of the departure lounge, just an increased amount of seating. Perhaps it just wasn't mentioned in the video, but an increased range of shops, restaurants, food outlets etc. will also be needed to cater for more passengers as well as more space.
Bigger terminal area = more space. The idea is to extend the departure lounge to the South. Its way too early to be discussing fixtures and fittings.
The fundamental problem at Luton is the small amount of land they have to develop on. It's already fairly small and compact as it is. Despite the widening of the road from the Holiday Inn to the Terminal, traffic congestion may still be a problem right back from the M1 and for people in Luton itself.
See above. In terms of an environmental point of view, its possibly a good thing? The airport has made a big issue about the efficiency of the airport - land to passengers ratio.
I would be hugely opposed to it if I were a resident anywhere nearby.
I'm a resident nearby and I'm not opposed to it. As someone has already touched on - jobs and economic advantages. The town can ill afford for its only major wealth creator to become stagnant. I'd say the majority of residents are for the expansion, with the only opponents being the NIMBYs from Hertfordshire.
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I think you will find most people here in Luton are actually pro airport. We need the jobs and money that comes from the airport or the town would die. Most of us will know someone employed there or use the airport for travel.
The whingers tend to be some wealthy 80 yr olds just out of town who cant plant their roses in absolute peace and quiet. Cry me a river, after what 15 years of endless protest all they could muster together was a group of about 50 folks to make utter fools of themselves in the town centre.
Also regarding space... the airport is rather unorganised, there is land here there and everywhere that could be used.. not to mention endless car parks taking up tonnes of space. The old terminal takes up a huge chunk also that could be far better utilised. The area behind the fire station, the tarmac.. the car park and the actual fire station itself could be moved to better locations. The engine bay could be moved and it and the grass alongside it could be used better. The area alongside the harrods ramp is open and unused.. The old spectators and the buildings around it should be utilised better. There are scraggyly one off buildings all around the airport hogging up space that could all be moved into 1 large multi-storey complex. (Yes before anyone mentions it I realise not all the ground is level, they can build island airports reclaimed from the ocean then they can fill in un level ground in luton).
Whether anyone can be bothered to invest the money to change all that stuff will remain to be seen.
The whingers tend to be some wealthy 80 yr olds just out of town who cant plant their roses in absolute peace and quiet. Cry me a river, after what 15 years of endless protest all they could muster together was a group of about 50 folks to make utter fools of themselves in the town centre.
Also regarding space... the airport is rather unorganised, there is land here there and everywhere that could be used.. not to mention endless car parks taking up tonnes of space. The old terminal takes up a huge chunk also that could be far better utilised. The area behind the fire station, the tarmac.. the car park and the actual fire station itself could be moved to better locations. The engine bay could be moved and it and the grass alongside it could be used better. The area alongside the harrods ramp is open and unused.. The old spectators and the buildings around it should be utilised better. There are scraggyly one off buildings all around the airport hogging up space that could all be moved into 1 large multi-storey complex. (Yes before anyone mentions it I realise not all the ground is level, they can build island airports reclaimed from the ocean then they can fill in un level ground in luton).
Whether anyone can be bothered to invest the money to change all that stuff will remain to be seen.
The majority of the population of Luton and its surrounding areas (but not Breachwood Green, Caddington and Slip End) are supportive of the airport, and have been for 50 years plus. Those three villages are most affected by noise which hardly affects anywhere else. Most of the population of those villages has moved in knowing that they were likely to be affected by aircraft noise - yet still they complain!
The airport has brought wealth and employment to an area of the south-east which had suffered from de-industrialization (Vauxhall, SKF, Electrolux, Whitbread brewery, Commer/Karrier, Bedford Trucks, AC Delco and many other formerly large employers have shed jobs). In place of them are head offices of two major UK airlines, hotels, airport operational staff, aircrew, and a thousand other support companies providing everything from aircraft cleaning to precision engineering.
To say nothing of the income remitted from the airport to Luton Council - year in, year out.
The airport has brought wealth and employment to an area of the south-east which had suffered from de-industrialization (Vauxhall, SKF, Electrolux, Whitbread brewery, Commer/Karrier, Bedford Trucks, AC Delco and many other formerly large employers have shed jobs). In place of them are head offices of two major UK airlines, hotels, airport operational staff, aircrew, and a thousand other support companies providing everything from aircraft cleaning to precision engineering.
To say nothing of the income remitted from the airport to Luton Council - year in, year out.
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Remember there is also the MK effect which is in another county but does not kick up as much as herts. MK is #1 Highest proportion of major foreign companies. 780+ International firms chose MK. Luton airport is marketed strongly by the dev agency in this respect.
A better more sucessful Luton airport will bring long term jobs and wealth to the whole area.
A better more sucessful Luton airport will bring long term jobs and wealth to the whole area.
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Luton - thessaloniki thomson 737
Hmm...Thessaloniki is hardly a new destination for TOM having been served for a number of years from LTN.
However, according to the current program, it will be dropped next year with JSI being served instead (presumably by 757) There is also some growth planned on existing routes to allow a greater range of 10/11 night breaks (so RHO and ZTH are planned to be served twice weekly)
Luton - thessaloniki thomson 737
Hmm...Thessaloniki is hardly a new destination for TOM having been served for a number of years from LTN.
However, according to the current program, it will be dropped next year with JSI being served instead (presumably by 757) There is also some growth planned on existing routes to allow a greater range of 10/11 night breaks (so RHO and ZTH are planned to be served twice weekly)
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Whenever Luton is mentioned, two things spring to mind.
1. Luton Airport
It's good to see that Luton Airport is experiencing steady positive growth and that the future looks bright.
2. Luton Town FC
It is criminal that they have been out of the Football League for so long. Looking at todays results, the attendance at Luton was more than three times more than the second highest. The supporters of Luton Town deserve better.
1. Luton Airport
It's good to see that Luton Airport is experiencing steady positive growth and that the future looks bright.
2. Luton Town FC
It is criminal that they have been out of the Football League for so long. Looking at todays results, the attendance at Luton was more than three times more than the second highest. The supporters of Luton Town deserve better.
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Luton- sharm el sheikh monarch 321-320
Luton - Venice easyjet 319-320
Luton -iasi tarom 737
Luton - skiathos thomson 737-757
Luton-craiova wizz 320
Luton- kosice wizz 320
Luton- Donetsk wizz 320
Luton - Venice easyjet 319-320
Luton -iasi tarom 737
Luton - skiathos thomson 737-757
Luton-craiova wizz 320
Luton- kosice wizz 320
Luton- Donetsk wizz 320
Luton - Dubai. Emirates 330
Luton - Newark united 757
Luton - Newark united 757
These are the two routes what every UK airport has at the top of their dream list if they don't already have them!
Unless you can demonstrate a source, both are very unlikely...
United are committed to Heathrow, and would IF they really did want to fly from another London airport. fly from the likes of Stansted or Gatwick, where the old Continental (before merger with United) flew from both.
Continental made Gatwick to Newark work for years, and flew the route profitably with 3-4 flights a day. They only moved to Heathrow, because of the open skies agreement with the USA and routes like this are even more profitable from Heathrow and was better to just have one London base than two on a cost basis.
Gatwick is publicly screaming out for a scheduled NYC route, and would flight tooth and nail to obtain the route from other London airports, and that probably even goes as far to offering some sort of subsidy to fly the route.
The likes of Emirates have 40+ Premium seats on their aircraft, Luton does not have a lounge cable of handling this number.
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TSR 2, Mr level and I would agree! Up the Hatters!
My heaven would be a new ground at the airport sited along Buster Way! Luton Relic selling hot dogs and orange shirts!
easyJet leaving Luton, not a problem, but will never happen.
My heaven would be a new ground at the airport sited along Buster Way! Luton Relic selling hot dogs and orange shirts!
easyJet leaving Luton, not a problem, but will never happen.
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Joined the queue to get airside at 06.09 and was in the departure lounge by 06.24 which I thought was quite good seeing how busy the place was at that time of day. The departure lounge needs more seating, it is OK if you are on your own but if you need a row of four seats forget it.
I went to sit down and some woman told me that seat was taken. Ten minutes later her husband turns up and tells her it was time to go so never sat in that so called taken seat. Well I was needling her for those ten minutes by touching the seat cover as I looked for the invisible man. This clearly was rattling the women so it did not help matters when I had a pop at her when she got up about reserving a seat and not using it in a busy departure lounge. When her husband was at a safe distance he shouts Wan*er at me. They were both so angry I think I spoiled their day.
I went to sit down and some woman told me that seat was taken. Ten minutes later her husband turns up and tells her it was time to go so never sat in that so called taken seat. Well I was needling her for those ten minutes by touching the seat cover as I looked for the invisible man. This clearly was rattling the women so it did not help matters when I had a pop at her when she got up about reserving a seat and not using it in a busy departure lounge. When her husband was at a safe distance he shouts Wan*er at me. They were both so angry I think I spoiled their day.
Sorry about the posts recently my account has been hacked by some joker who is making ridiculous posts about rubbish. The only legitimate post I made was about bloor homes and the development all others were not me, sorry for any annoyance.
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In a completely half assed effort at trolling. Is Easyjet leaving Luton in the future all that unrealistic. Imagine they got themselves a whole lot more space at LGW somehow. I think they would jump out of here in a flash. Just my opinion of course but they seem to lack interest here at home now days.
As for Luton Town, Ah could you imagine the days foreign airliners flying into luton with a team to actually play in the town rather then arsenal or Wembley.
As for Luton Town, Ah could you imagine the days foreign airliners flying into luton with a team to actually play in the town rather then arsenal or Wembley.
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I could see some routes move if EZY really built up Stansted. Mykonos, Olbia, Corfu, Bordeaux & Reykjavik spring to mind - but the core routes will always remain (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Belfast, Amsterdam, Malaga, Faro, Palma, Alicante, Geneva and Nice)
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but the core routes will always remain (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Belfast, Amsterdam, Malaga, Faro, Palma, Alicante, Geneva and Nice)
They have taken Alicante, Barcelona and Faro away from Stansted and significantly reduced the frequency of Amsterdam, Edinburgh, Glasgow Malaga, Nice, Palma amongst others.
I suppose it just goes to show that nothing is secure really! Lets hope that EasyJet will eventually grow again at Stansted, just not too much at Luton's expense. Although it probably will be knowing EasyJet!