Wikiposts
Search
Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

LUTON - 7

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 1st Aug 2013, 17:27
  #981 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Commenting on the announcement of the sale of London Luton Airport to AENA and AXA, Hugh Aitken, UK Commercial Manager at easyJet said:

"As London Luton Airport's largest airline, easyJet bases a fleet of 15 aircraft on site serving 38 destinations across Europe, Northern Africa the Middle East and Iceland carrying almost 5m passengers each year on our easy and affordable flights.

We look forward to working with AENA and AXA to deliver enhancements to London Luton Airport which will result in sustainable growth, long term development and an improved customer experience which will help the airport to reach its full potential.
LTNman is offline  
Old 1st Aug 2013, 18:02
  #982 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Not so many places currently
Age: 60
Posts: 3,792
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Intersting we know nothing about whether the right of the operating the airport with LBC has been extended. They actually havn't bought the airport so the price compared with other London sales seems high.

Last edited by pabely; 1st Aug 2013 at 19:24.
pabely is offline  
Old 2nd Aug 2013, 10:44
  #983 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Not so many places currently
Age: 60
Posts: 3,792
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
AirBlue

That internal leak, sorry web site hack last year, they did start Jeddah, Brum now announced, will Luton be next?
pabely is offline  
Old 2nd Aug 2013, 21:22
  #984 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I wonder if the existing plans for an expanded Luton will go ahead or will Aera start from scratch?
LTNman is offline  
Old 3rd Aug 2013, 18:20
  #985 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: London Whipsnade Wildlife Park
Posts: 5,038
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Grrr

Only 15 based at Luton, it used to be 21!
Buster the Bear is offline  
Old 3rd Aug 2013, 20:56
  #986 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Then there must be plenty of spare overnight stands then
LTNman is offline  
Old 3rd Aug 2013, 21:24
  #987 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Under the flight path
Posts: 2,625
Received 11 Likes on 4 Posts
Only 15 based at Luton, it used to be 21!
I thought the highest number of oranges based was 16, including 1 spare.
LGS6753 is offline  
Old 5th Aug 2013, 04:39
  #988 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: London Whipsnade Wildlife Park
Posts: 5,038
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Grrr

Go back a few years, maybe 10?

AENA, so how about a Vueling base? Or even Norwegian! Both do good business with the new concessionaire.

Going to be a huge Gatwick, Stansted and Luton battle for business!

Nice to be talking about the future rather than buses!
Buster the Bear is offline  
Old 5th Aug 2013, 20:24
  #989 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
"The consortium has now agreed to buy the company that holds the rights to operate the airport on the council’s behalf until 2031"

Luton Airport set to expand following rights sale | Travel News

£433 million divided into 18 year = 24 million per year plus passenger fees to the council, add to that investment into the airport. I wonder what their expected return will be?

Last edited by LTNman; 5th Aug 2013 at 20:25.
LTNman is offline  
Old 5th Aug 2013, 20:31
  #990 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Under the flight path
Posts: 2,625
Received 11 Likes on 4 Posts
From the article above:

Luton council said, ‘We will be working with Aena and AXA to ensure a smooth transition in the transferring of responsibility for the operation of London Luton Airport which will need to deliver an investment programme for the asset under the terms of the existing concession agreement.’
Sounds like AENA will be on the hook for an investment along the lines of the one recently discussed, which preceeded the extension of the franchise to 2031.

For AENA and AXA to maximise their returns, they will be wanting to make that investment PDQ. Of course, if the franchise isn't extended from 2031, everything will decline from about 2020 as the payback period won't be long enough to make a return on it.
LGS6753 is offline  
Old 6th Aug 2013, 06:24
  #991 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 965
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
... and LBC moan they haven't got any money! That's going to be in excess of £50-£55m every year? How many councils bring in that much income from a single entity - none!
Dannyboy39 is offline  
Old 6th Aug 2013, 07:42
  #992 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: stockport
Age: 69
Posts: 290
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Greater Manchester Councils £48M from MAG last year

Chaps
chaps2011 is offline  
Old 6th Aug 2013, 11:30
  #993 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I don't think any of that £433 million will be going to the council. They just get a per passenger fee and an airport with better infrastructure when the concession gets renewed in 2031.

If the airport is worth £433million for a 18 year lease I wonder what the airport is worth if it was sold?

Last edited by LTNman; 6th Aug 2013 at 18:46.
LTNman is offline  
Old 6th Aug 2013, 18:27
  #994 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Under the flight path
Posts: 2,625
Received 11 Likes on 4 Posts
I wonder what the airport is worth if it was sold?
... a very good question LTNman.

I've never valued a company like an airport, but normally you would do a DCF (Discounted Cash Flow) analysis of free cash flow extending forwards for the foreseeable future. If 18 years is beyond the 'foreseeable future', presumably the value is the same, except that there is underlying asset value to add in.

Any insights from others would be interesting.
LGS6753 is offline  
Old 6th Aug 2013, 19:54
  #995 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: London
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Blast from LTN past

Some may appreciate this recently scanned old beauty...
Dan-air_CometIV_LTN_1975 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
VC10Conway is offline  
Old 6th Aug 2013, 20:20
  #996 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Parked on stand 14 or 15
LTNman is offline  
Old 7th Aug 2013, 08:31
  #997 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Essex
Posts: 1,480
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thomson Summer 2014

Most of the bases seem to be complete in their schedules except Luton.

I have always thought of Luton myself as a bit of a "lazy 3 aircraft base" myself as some aircraft only do 1 flight in a day or retire for the night quite early/leave quite late in the morning.

The new route to Skiathos from Luton means that according to the current schedule, there will be 4 morning departures on a Friday requiring 4 based aircraft. I would assume one of those 4 flights has to change/be removed unless there is some expansion coming along!?
FRatSTN is offline  
Old 7th Aug 2013, 22:30
  #998 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: -
Posts: 747
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thomson Schedule

Thomson Summer 2014
Most of the bases seem to be complete in their schedules except Luton.

I have always thought of Luton myself as a bit of a "lazy 3 aircraft base" myself as some aircraft only do 1 flight in a day or retire for the night quite early/leave quite late in the morning.

The new route to Skiathos from Luton means that according to the current schedule, there will be 4 morning departures on a Friday requiring 4 based aircraft. I would assume one of those 4 flights has to change/be removed unless there is some expansion coming along!?
Sunday's also has four departures in the morning, when I checked a date in June 2014...

Enfidha TOM0750 06.15
Lanzarote TOM5724 07.00
Malaga ZB0000 07.10
Faro TOM5712 08.20

This is just a guess, and I haven't flown with Thomson in quite sometime... But with Luton being quite a big maintenance base for the airline, could it be the fourth aircraft operating on a Sunday morning has been in the hangar the night before undergoing checks, and just utilising it, before it goes off to another base?

I remember when flying back from Mahon about 7-8 years ago, and even though a Thomson flight arrived in from Luton that same aircraft was operating back to Glasgow... The only reason we knew this was that our flight back home was delayed and everyone was questioning why, when the Luton flight had just arrived on time and we was advised the flight for us back to Luton was being operated by the inbound aircraft from Glasgow, but was delayed due to bad weather.

So just maybe the Skiathos flight or one of the other three flights operating that morning is being swapped, to fly back to Luton for maintenance on that aircraft for a few days. As the rest of the Friday schedule can easily be operated with just three aircraft.
gilesdavies is offline  
Old 7th Aug 2013, 23:45
  #999 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Not so many places currently
Age: 60
Posts: 3,792
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Malaga ZB0000 07.10
?

Luton does do alot of work in H63, but usually after a busy day, are there 4 returning flights PM? Wasn't their once a BY/TUI cargo site which had all shedules?
pabely is offline  
Old 8th Aug 2013, 05:27
  #1000 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Hitchin
Posts: 1,405
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The sunday Malaga flight mentioned, appears to be operated on a Monarch Scheduled, so it is still just three Thomson flights outbound that day.
Powerjet1 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.