Ryanair - 9

[LandingConfig]

Originally Posted by alserire

I thought O'Leary always said he would avoid FRA.

25 minute turnarounds will surely be a major difficulty there.

Why would that be?

[CCFAIRPORT]

The taxiway is very long in FRA. I m CC and i know in some airports such as BCN AMS .... the taxiway is around 8-10 min . around 20 min to join the gate and back to the runway. so 25 minus 20 = 5 minutes left to disembark, cleaning, boarding ...... JUST IMPOSSIBLE but maybe FR includes in the flight time the long taxiway in FRA

[Sholto Douglas]

Frankfurt turnaround

I was under the impression that airlines, at least currently, work on "on stand/off stand" for scheduling flight timings.

On that basis then 25 minutes is quite feasible. I do however agree that flight times may need to be "padded" to allow for extra time spent between runway and stand.

[LandingConfig]

Originally Posted by CCFAIRPORT

The taxiway is very long in FRA. I m CC and i know in some airports such as BCN AMS .... the taxiway is around 8-10 min . around 20 min to join the gate and back to the runway. so 25 minus 20 = 5 minutes left to disembark, cleaning, boarding ...... JUST IMPOSSIBLE but maybe FR includes in the flight time the long taxiway in FRA

Turnaround is chocks on to chocks off, taxi time is not relevant. Block times will be longer to allow for longer taxi.

[EZYPZY]

Turnaround Times

On the subject of turnaround times, I've noticed many of FR's new TLV routes have turn times of 25 - 30 minutes. Nothing unusual for FR, however with other LCCs at TLV, including EZY and W6, having turn times of 50 - 55 minutes (presumably due to additional security requirements at Ben Gurion). Why do Ryanair feel they can turn aircraft round faster than the other airlines?

[The96er]

On the subject of turnaround times, I've noticed many of FR's new TLV routes have turn times of 25 - 30 minutes. Nothing unusual for FR, however with other LCCs at TLV, including EZY and W6, having turn times of 50 - 55 minutes (presumably due to additional security requirements at Ben Gurion). Why do Ryanair feel they can turn aircraft round faster than the other airlines?

The added Turn times are unlikely to be anything to do with Security as the passengers should be clear of Security by then, the much bigger issue is the sheer amount of Cabin baggage that the TLV flights generate. I'm sure RYR will find this out soon.

[racedo]

Originally Posted by The96er

The added Turn times are unlikely to be anything to do with Security as the passengers should be clear of Security by then, the much bigger issue is the sheer amount of Cabin baggage that the TLV flights generate. I'm sure RYR will find this out soon.

Room for 90 bags inside, everything else goes in the hold.
FR have said months ago that people abusing 2nd bag rule so they will implement penalties if it continues.

[alserire]

Well what I see is a departure time for most Ryanair flights of 25-30 minutes after arrival.

Cannot see how they'll manage that in FRA with the distances that have to be traveled and the sheer volume of traffic you can get there.

[Boeing737-8]

When he is on about the bags on the TLV flight I think he meant the hold. Some passengers will have 5 cases to themselves and this is very common from both London airports.

[racedo]

Originally Posted by Boeing737-8

When he is on about the bags on the TLV flight I think he meant the hold. Some passengers will have 5 cases to themselves and this is very common from both London airports.

Then airport staff have got to get them into hold PDQ.

[Sholto Douglas]

Originally Posted by alserire

Well what I see is a departure time for most Ryanair flights of 25-30 minutes after arrival.

Cannot see how they'll manage that in FRA with the distances that have to be traveled and the sheer volume of traffic you can get there.

You are missing the point that has been made by various people. Times quoted are from the aircraft arriving on stand, and setting the parking brake, to the time the brakes are released in readiness for pushback. They are not the landing and airborne times.

Flight times between Manchester and Heathrow have been extended by 10-15 minutes over the last few decades to allow for airfield and enroute holding delays.

It is therefore possible, presuming that the ground handlers are quick enough, for a 20-30 minute turnaround to be attained. Time will tell whether it is realistically feasible.

[TBSC]

It's not. Usually they can't keep 50 mins either.

[barrymah]

I did a MRS-FRA return recently with Lufthansa. MRS was about 45 minutes in/out but we waited and waited and waited on a wet Wednesday afternoon for the return... absolutely no information, I counted 10 staff. Aircraft in boonedocks.....

If O'Leary can reduces staffing, terminal gate location then anything around 30 mins will be fantastic.

[TBSC]

Ryanair Sun, a separate charter unit with 5 a/c will start operation from Poland in 2018.


https://careers.ryanair.com/ryanair-sun/

[racedo]

Intersting one and guess they may use some of their older 738's to service this market.

[easyflyer83]

30 minute turns in TLV are near on impossible.... trust me.

Lots of cabin baggage
Lots of hold baggage
Pax slow to settle in
Cabins very messy
Generally there can be cultural issues and challenges which can slow things down.

[CCFAIRPORT]

I m CC for EZS and on our flight to TLV we have a long tuenaround and sometines it s not enough .... cabin very very very dirty ... pb with bags .....

[racedo]

Originally Posted by easyflyer83

30 minute turns in TLV are near on impossible.... trust me.

Lots of cabin baggage
Lots of hold baggage
Pax slow to settle in
Cabins very messy
Generally there can be cultural issues and challenges which can slow things down.

You charge your fares appropriately to counter this.
Which is why I never expect to see a £9.99 to TLV.

[easyflyer83]

Charge whatever you like, you still ain't turning that aircraft around in 30 minutes.

[compton3bravo]

What I have seen it takes some passengers thirty minutes to disembark on a TLV. No way 30 minute turnarounds.